@haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com

haui_lemmy

@haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com

Gifted Autistic Sysadmin, Anti-Corporate activist

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haui_lemmy,

Astonishing! Who would have thought that be the case? Actually doing the work instead of paying your way to success? That cant be correct! /s

Is it worth waiting for WhatsApp interoperability anymore ? Is it ever coming ?

I really need to get in contact with some people on WA and have some groups to join and have been waiting for interoperability to get going so I don’t have to use zuck’s app . But the said date march has long passed and I can’t find shit on it or why it didn’t happen anywhere . I have yesterday downloaded the apk from...

haui_lemmy,

Use matrix and bridges. Tchncs.de has a whatsapp bridge for free I think. Please consider donating because running this stuff is expensive. There are others as well but tchncs is the only one I know. I run bridges for myself and friends but they also chip in.

haui_lemmy, (edited )

can you hand hold me through the process

I can try but I cant promise anything

So I download WhatsApp and make an acc and download matrix and make an acc and then link it ?

You dont download matrix. You download a client for the matrix protocol. The client is your choice but will make a huge impact on your experience. I use fluffychat but I also have element as backup.

You make an account on a matrix instance. tchncs.de is the best public one I can suggest.

You then join their rooms and start asking people for help, politely. I havent used their process but i use the exact same bridges and they work.

Can I then use matrix as a kind of WhatsApp client ?

Whatsapp, signal, telegram and matrix in one app, yes

Can I talk to random users or join WhatsApp groups like I can in the official app ?

I dont know if you need to use a whatsapp client to join a group but you can def talk to anyone and in any group from my experience. this is open source stuff which you need to be aware of. if you’re not the product and you dont pay them, then you should help any way you can and be very patient.

Also can I just delete the WhatsApp app after connecting and not worry about it ever ?

You cant “not worry about it ever” on anything, ever. Either you pay someone to make your experience perfect (the mechanic that repairs your bike or your car) or you help yourself and ask for help politely.

Whatsapp can lose the connection (happened to me once in like 3 months) and you will need a whatsapp client to reconnect and then you can forget it again.

Also, its not a billion dollar company doing this so it needs testing and you’re the tester so consider submitting your experiences in the form of (rational) bug reports or similar.

**TL;DR: FOSS software will never be “perfect”. It is a community effort to improve it. You always pay in this world: Money, Privacy or Work. If you dont, someone else must.

haui_lemmy,

Uh why do you answer like I asked FOSS to be perfect ?

What gave you the impression?

Anyway seems like its not for me and tnx for the answer .

How come?

haui_lemmy,

Many reasons:

  1. you can disable background updates, wifi and mobile data, location, etc. which renders the app useless. They cant collect directly from the phone that way.
  2. I have one app for all my messaging needs. No need to switch
  3. i will always ask for matrix communication first which takes meta out of the loop
  4. i have friends who arent tech savvy or ready to switch so I am not forced to use whatsapp
  5. its a fun exercise and I provide feedback for the makers of the bridges which helps development
haui_lemmy,

Okay. I dont know how it happened but thats not what I wanted to convey. I did want to make clear that you can always pay someone to make it perfect or you can use the great options other people have invested money and time in and decided to share it for free.

haui_lemmy,

I’m somewhat appreciative of the neutral tone you use in your comment but I’m kind of taken aback by the fact that you seem to think i wanted an answer to the points I made. I find it very rude to try and take apart someones reasoning which was given in good faith. If I wanted your opinion on that, I would have asked.

I can see that it is not what you would do and I you dont seem to understand my reasons for doing what I do. I dont mind that. What I do mind is unsolicited critique or advice.

Have a good day.

haui_lemmy,

It’s great that you can form your own opinions. You should really refrain from pushing your opinions on others though.

Good bye.

haui_lemmy,

…we haven‘t been sued by our customers for bad code!

Yes thats due to testing.

Can you prove that?

…

haui_lemmy,

Install steam and whatever gaming things you have and give it a proper spin. I also added some gnome extensions for system usage. Besides that, pop is very simple.

haui_lemmy,

From practical example:

I defederated one instance. Before, I saw content of them, now I dont. I dont know if they can see my content but I dont think they do.

Obviously a sample size of one is not evidence but more of a hint at what might happen.

You can always ask the folks on .ml for they make the software.

haui_lemmy,

What a dumpster fire this thread is.

I‘m not a fan of graphene, especially because of the cult like following of tech illiterate folks it has, not saying all users are tech illiterate.

I have neither the time or the nerve to read up about the inner workings but I‘m sure someone meant well writing the OS.

However, I use and work on portmarketOS because I dont believe in android and I do believe in linux both for desktop and phone/tablet.

haui_lemmy,

I‘m a sysadmin and hobby dev and I am trying to make it work as a daily driver and make it a full replacement of iOS.

Still needs work but I‘d say 80% of my needs are met and I‘m already ahead of iOS in other things (like a full terminal, being able to make my own backups over ssh, being able to control what data leaves my device).

Two things are astonishing: the amount of progress mobile linux projects make and the obliviousness one (I too) has as a proprietary software. We expect things to „just work“ yet we pay for proprietary software either by cash or our data yet most of us are unaware or unwilling to contribute money or work to the cause (translations, writing helpful or nice documentations).

I suggest you give it a whirl and look at it from a „what would I be able to let go of“ perspective.

haui_lemmy,

Don’t worry! I‘m glad you asked. :)

Currently I use pmos 23.10 stable with phosh. Depending on the software, using stable vs unstable/edge/etc makes a huge difference.

That said current situation is quite good. I use podcasts, phone, matrix (fluffychat) bridged to whatsapp, signal and discord, nextcloud and a couple more things.

Currently I‘m trying to port the bitwarden desktop app which is quite the endeavor.

All in all I love the OS but its nowhere near consumer ready. Peeps who can give constructive and detailed feedback are needed hence my issue with corporate „polish“ and the resulting standards.

Banking is dead at this point and so is the camera for now.

The „separate phone for login“ could technically be a docker container or vm but easiest is some crap phone so their security measures dont get triggered (locking you out).

Its just a bad situation in total. Phone monopolists ruling with an iron fist, having most governments and companies jump through loops for them.

But yes, linux on phone def is the future imo. I think I might check ubuntu touch too just to know what I might be missing.

I hope this helps. Feel free to ask more.

haui_lemmy, (edited )

Do you use stable because you fear sudden bugs and breakages or for other reasons?

No. I installed it because they said its better for daily use because the other versions might break. I have since used it with few real issues and no serious (as in requires another machine to get back in a working state or serious knowledge of the inner workings). I might try different things but not without having done and checked everything in stable. :)

So you’re using only fluffychat with bridges?

yes

I mean, you have not installed WhatsApp, Signal or Discord clients, right?

Not on the linux phone

But there are unofficial flatpak which should work I guess.

I dont install things I dont need. I have a configuration that works with every service I need and has zero breakage as of now.

Or bridges are the only choice?

I dont know. It is the most complete and privacy friendly compromise that I know of. The more privacy route would be to abandon whatsapp but I guess for you its the same as for me: not an option at this point.

I ask this because while I think bridges are neat, they have their problems and I’m not sure I would happily and painlessly be able to use only them.

Bridges work 99% of the time for me, maybe 100 messages+ per day. It has been months and I had to reconnect two bridges, one time each. This is not proprietary stuff with billion dollar budgets so in my book that is perfect with no issues. If I want stuff to “just work” I pay someone to write it for me. Can someone break it by sending huge files, have 1000 messages per hour or 1000 contacts to sync? Of course. But thats not my usecase so I cant swear to you that everything will always work perfectly. Again. Companies are investing insane amounts of money in these services and if you dont want to be the product and you dont want to pay for it, thats what you get. :)

And, you’re still using an iOS/Android device from time to time to prevent automatic logout from WhatsApp’s bridge and manage Signal’s login, right?

yes, same for discord btw. I am still testing mobile linux so I have two phones anyway.

You know, to be honest the last time I tried pmOS it was specifically the unusable state of Bitwarden and Freetube which made me think “okay, maybe it’s better to wait more time before trying to using it”

Bitwarden as a firefox extension works okay but it needs work. The standalone app which I’m trying to port is pretty tough, not sure what the exact reason is.

How do you primarily install software?

APK, if that doesnt have anything or the program doesnt work well I try flatpak. A LOT of stuff is available. No comparison to more popular platforms though. Mobile linux is in the infancy of infancy so whoever uses it rn is a pioneer in my book. It works well but peeps who use it need to have the correct mindset or they will hate it: You’re not in kansas anymore. Stuff will break and you’re supposed to help fix it and not let out your frustration on others as they dont on you. :)

I hope that helps.

haui_lemmy,

I‘m running it on the OP6 and its pretty good.

The bridge is still encrypting stuff afaik, just not e2e but from the server to the recepient.

Also, signal is only foss on the client side, no? The server seems proprietary to me.

Good luck and feel free to update.

haui_lemmy,

Thats pretty cool! :)

haui_lemmy,

No, I can see how thats amusing. :)

haui_lemmy,

Amen!

haui_lemmy,

Very funny

haui_lemmy,

Whatever you problem is mate, its not anything I‘m interested in hearing. Good bye.

Often we say infinite growth (capitalism) is not sustainable and reasonable. Can we also say infinite progressivism is also not sustainable and reasonable?

This question is social/political, and meant to trigger a nice debate on the negatives of imbalanced infinite progressivism we seem to be heading in social and technological spheres, ignoring science, practicality and reason....

haui_lemmy,

Yeah, no. Your tone and comment history already tells me enough. Have fun on my block list. Good bye.

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