chunshek

@chunshek@tooters.org

Jack of all trades โ€ข Born in ๐Ÿ‡ญ๐Ÿ‡ฐ โ€ข Studied in ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ โ€ข Living in ๐Ÿ‡น๐Ÿ‡ผ โ€ข Talk to me about #languages #typhoon #unicode

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Alt: https://polyglot.city/@chunshek
Books: https://bookrastinating.com/@chunshek
Pics: https://pixelfed.social/@chunshek

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pjap37, to random French

Qui c'est qui a un #Duolingo family ร  partager ?

chunshek,

@pjap37
Purtroppo io no, perรฒ quali lingue stai imparando? Solo tedesco? O anche altre?

chunshek, to random

Sleepless night withโ€ฆ
โ€ข uncontrollable shivering and chills
โ€ข mild fever
โ€ข constant dehydration
โ€ข prolonged elevated heart rate (my Fitbit announced that I already "met my weekly workout goal" even though all I did was staying in bed groaning the whole time)
โ€ข the runs
โ€ข the mother lode of back pains

chunshek,

@aetataureate
I haven't taken one yet. It doesn't feel like the last time I had it though. (Also took a shot 2 weeks before I flew, so if it were, I should be able to overcome it.)

chunshek,

@aetataureate
You may be right! I'll take one if I feel just as bad or worse tonight.
(Nothing much to do but bedrest and monitor my vitals though in that case.)

chunshek, to random

Languages spoken at the breakfast table this morning:
โ€ข Nonna/My partner: Lombitalian
โ€ข Helper: Spanitalian
โ€ข Me: Englitalian

What's important is that we still understand each other!

aral, to random
@aral@mastodon.ar.al avatar
chunshek,

@aral
This video still rings true after all these years.
https://youtu.be/AHX6tHdQGiQ

thatmanmatt, to random
@thatmanmatt@toottoot.eu avatar

โ€žKarotten nach Franzรถsischen Artโ€œ.

Soโ€ฆ grated carrot then?

chunshek,

@thatmanmatt
How is this "French" in any way? :neofox_thinking:

aetataureate, to random
@aetataureate@dosgame.club avatar

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  • chunshek,

    @aetataureate
    The bird looks unimpressed by the lack of temperature.

    thatmanmatt, to random
    @thatmanmatt@toottoot.eu avatar

    @chunshek howโ€™s the mood following the election?

    chunshek,

    @thatmanmatt
    The result surprised nobody.

    Supporters of the ruling DPP are happy with the presidency, but cautious with the loss of majority in the legislature, while the upstart TPP will hold a key minority role for breaking ties, despite having just 8 out of 113 seats.

    The opposition KMT, despite winning the most seats at the legislature, will nonetheless have to compromise with the other two parties. Without a majority, they won't be able to steamroll reversals to Tsai-era policies at will.

    pjap37, to Instagram French

    La diffรฉrence majeur entre L'Instagram :BhjFlag_Progress_Intersex_Left: et le Mastodon :BhjFlag_Progress_Intersex_Right: :
    Mon mari sur :BhjFlag_Progress_Intersex_Left: :
    โ€“ Lui j'ai vu sa bite ;
    โ€“ Lui j'ai vu sa bite ;
    โ€“ Lui j'ai vu sa biteโ€ฆ

    Moi sur :BhjFlag_Progress_Intersex_Right: :

    โ€“ Lui j'ai vu son chat ;
    โ€“ Lui j'ai vu son chat ;
    โ€“ Lui j'ai vu son chatโ€ฆ

    chunshek,

    @pjap37
    Et voici mon chat (qui reste ร  Hong Kong avec ses nouveaux papas)

    chunshek, to Taiwan

    At 1600 Taipei Time (0800 UTC) the polls will close at the #Taiwan Presidential and Legislative Election. The vote counting will take place straight away.

    I'll be watching PTS and TaiwanPlus for live coverage and analysis of the #TaiwanElection.

    โ€ข PTS ๅ…ฌ่ฆ– livestream (in Mandarin):
    https://www.youtube.com/live/hwy2kNslIiU
    โ€ข TaiwanPlus livestream (in English):
    https://www.youtube.com/live/dZp87qnWelE

    chunshek, to random

    In another thread on Mastodon, I recorded myself reading a news story in (rusty, accented) German.

    Well, that was quite a challenge. I decided to record myself reading in English which was much easier. So here's me retelling the story of how "Comma Gets a Cure".

    chunshek,

    More story time! The next story is about a man called ไบŒ้ƒŽ (รˆrlรกng) capturing 8 out of 9 suns in the sky so people don't roast to a crisp. Here's ไบŒ้ƒŽๆ“”ๅฑฑๆ‰ๅคช้™ฝ in Mandarin.

    chunshek,

    And another one! We all know how this story goesโ€ฆ but if you have ever wondered how to "cry wolf" in Cantonese, you can find the answer from this excerpt of ๆœ‰็‹ผๅ•Š๏ผๆœ‰็‹ผๅ•Š๏ผ

    chunshek, to Japan

    in both and have launched their new . At a diameter of 16โ€ณ (40cm), the features a "volcano" shaped bowl in the middle, filled with cheddar "magma" for dipping pizza slices, fries, chicken fingers, and whatever else you order on the side.

    They are starting at ยฅ2,590 (US$17.97 / โ‚ฌ16.43 / ยฃ14.13) in Japan, and NT$549 (US$17.68 / โ‚ฌ16.17 / ยฃ13.90) in Taiwan.

    chunshek,

    There's an idiom in Mandarin: ๆˆ‘ไธๅ…ฅๅœฐ็„๏ผŒ่ชฐๅ…ฅๅœฐ็„๏ผŸ (If I don't go to hell, who would?)

    So to "hell" I went today. And by "hell" I meant 's , along with a platter of dip-worthy sides like chicken tenders, fish fingers, and tater tots.

    Andโ€ฆ it was hellishly delicious. If you want to petition your local Domino's Pizza to introduce the cheese volcano to your market, I've got your back!

    chunshek, to random

    We were having our daily staff meeting when all our phones went off with this Presidential Alert of an air raid! โš ๏ธ

    China launched a satellite this afternoon that briefly flew over southern Taiwan airspace. ๐Ÿ›ฐ๏ธ (It was not a missile though, despite the English text!)

    With the Taiwanese presidential election around the corner, this timing of the launch is just ๐Ÿคฆโ€โ™‚๏ธ. It could well be psychological warfare just ahead of the election though.

    chunshek, to random

    I was asked to explain "Cantonese writing" in relation to "the many Chinese languages" by @toddo, but the 500-character limit on Mastodon won't cut it. So here's a pedestrian look at it. Hopefully I won't lose too many of you along the way.

    By the way, I'm not an academic and have no formal training. If anything I say is inaccurate, please refer to our resident linguist @lukito for his expertise.

    Anyway, here we go. (1/13)

    chunshek,

    Adjectives and adverbs share even less commonality than nouns and verbs. "Beautiful" is ้š in Cantonese, ๅช  in Taiwanese, but ๆผ‚ไบฎ in Mandarin. A Mandarin speaker would not understand ้š or ๅช  even if the written character is shown to them. (6/13)

    chunshek,

    CLOSED WORD CLASSES

    Different Sinitic languages use very different grammars, which heavily influence the use of closed word classes, such as adpositions, classifiers, particles, pronouns. Those are usually mutually unintelligible across Sinitic languages, even when written down.

    The pronoun "he" is ไป– in Mandarin, ไฝข in Cantonese and Hakka, ไผŠ in Taiwanese.

    Taiwanese has "inclusive we" ๅ’ฑ and "exclusive we" ้˜ฎ, but the latter is not understood in Mandarin or Cantonese. (7/13)

    chunshek,

    GRAMMARS

    Apart from the wildly different closed words, the grammars vary greatly among languages.

    โ€ข Object placement: Mandarin places indirect objects before direct objects, whereas Cantonese places direct objects before indirect objects. This impacts the word order in sentences.

    I gave him the book.
    โ€ข Mandarin: ๆˆ‘ (SUBJ: I) ็ตฆ (V: give) ไบ† (ASP: perfect) ไป– (IO: him) ้‚ฃๆœฌๆ›ธ (DO: that book)
    โ€ข Cantonese: ๆˆ‘ (SUBJ: I) ็•€ (V: give) ๅ’— (ASP: perfect) ๆœฌๆ›ธ (DO: the book) ไฝข (IO: him) (8/13)

    chunshek,

    โ€ข Aspect marking: There are no grammatical tenses in most Sinitic languages. Mandarin compensates with 3 aspect markers and a range of adverbs. Cantonese uses 39 aspect markers instead - few are understood in Mandarin. Some examples:

    ๆˆ‘้ฃŸ้ฃฏ: I eat/ate/will eat
    ๆˆ‘้ฃŸๅ’—้ฃฏ: I have/had/will have eaten
    ๆˆ‘้ฃŸ็ทŠ้ฃฏ: I am/was/will be eating
    ๆˆ‘้ฃŸ้Ž็‚’้ฃฏ: I have/had/will have eaten fried rice before
    ๆˆ‘้ฃŸไฝ้ฃฏ(็ญ‰ไฝ ): (I'll wait for you) while I eat
    ๆˆ‘้ฃŸๅฎŒ้ฃฏ: I am/was/will be done eating
    ๆˆ‘้ฃŸๅŸ‹้ฃฏ: after I am/was/will be done eating (9/13)

    chunshek,

    โ€ข Classifiers: In the place of articles (a/an/the), Sinitic languages use classifiers, which largely depend on the noun described. Mandarin requires a determiner and/or a number in front of the classifier. The concept of "the" doesn't exist in Mandarin.

    ไธ€ๆœฌๆ›ธ: a book
    ้€™ๆœฌๆ›ธ: this book
    ้‚ฃๆœฌๆ›ธ: that book

    Cantonese speakers can omit both the number and the determiner to express "the", or add a pronoun in front to mark possession.

    ๆœฌๆ›ธ: the book
    ๆˆ‘ๆœฌๆ›ธ: my book (10/13)

    chunshek,

    โ€ข Modal particles: Due to tonality, moods cannot be conveyed with pitch changes alone. Modal particles mark different emotions, but are unintelligble between different Sinitic languages. Some examples in Cantonese:

    ้ฃŸ้ฃฏ[aหหฅ] (invite) Let's eat.
    ้ฃŸ้ฃฏ[aหหง] (statement) I'm eating.
    ้ฃŸ้ฃฏ[aหหฉ] (rhetorical question) Are you eating?
    ้ฃŸ้ฃฏ[kwaหหง] (speculation) I guess he's eating.
    ้ฃŸ้ฃฏ[laหหง] (change of state) Time to eat!
    ้ฃŸ้ฃฏ[laหหฉ] (confirmation) Time to eat yet?
    ้ฃŸ้ฃฏ[สฆaหหง] ("just") I'm just eating. (11/13)

    chunshek,

    PRONUNCIATION

    The same character is pronounced completely differently across Sinitic languages.

    Here's how to think about it. Take this word: "chat"
    โ€ข in English: [สฆรฆt]
    โ€ข in French: [สƒa]

    Of course "chat" means different things in English and French. But even when the meaning of a character is the same across different Sinitic languages, it still sounds different:

    ็†ฑ
    โ€ข in Mandarin: [ษปษคหฅหจ]
    โ€ข in Cantonese: [jiหtฬšหจ]
    โ€ข in Taiwanese: [สฃuaส”หฆ]
    โ€ข in Hakka: [ล‹ietฬšหฅ] (12/13)

    chunshek,

    SOCIOLINGUISTICS

    Officially all other Sinitic languages are labeled "dialects" in China. In formal settings, writing in anything other than Mandarin is frowned upon. So all literate folks are taught to read/write text in Mandarin grammar, even if it means pronouncing the written text in their own languages or code-switching between the two. This explains why "writing" between speakers of different Sinitic language users seem to work. (13/13)

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