All of the info about why added sugar is unhealthy compared to fruits seems to be that the sugar in fruit comes with fibre and nutrients that offset the negative health impacts of sugar to a degree by delaying its absorption and preventing a blood sugar spike....
It’s a classic techno song that might be described as euro trance. I think I’ve heard the song but I’m asking for a friend. It might be an instance of the Mandela effect because the song can’t seem to be found anywhere.
I’m of the view that this is a semantic question where we have a word, “pile”, that describes a general amount but doesn’t have a specified quantity to it, and so the only way we can determine the amount of units required to constitute a pile at the bare minimum, is through public consensus on the most commonly shared...
By playing beatbox music and making everyone stay away from me while I grew corn and ate it slowly in front of them while they watched me cautiously from a distance.
I feel like often people ask me “Oh yea? Name some examples.” and the burden is on me to prove something by providing representative examples. But often it’s so overwhelming how many examples there are for something that I feel obligated then to either list everything, or try extra hard to find good examples, and even then...
Extras/other people in the background are acceptable to meet the criteria but ideally with no human/entity on the screen at all that isn’t played by the same actor....
It’s an example which demonstrates the concept since in both cases, the overall process/system is unnecessary. Neither dairy farming nor killing animals for meat is necessary. It’s not shifting the argument to say that the killing isn’t necessary in the first place, that simply is the main point that the fallacy ignores.
With regard to dairy farming, it’s not more profitable to raise, house a male calf who won’t produce milk in their life, and feed them until adulthood (still only a few years old when they can live until 20-25) and kill them for beef. In most cases male calves get killed for veal, though they can simply be killed immediately and discarded, while some are raised until 1.5-2 years and killed for beef. Most female calves usually become dairy cows and then ultimately beef cows as well at 4-6 years old.
On a mass scale of dairy production, the killing of cattle for veal and beef is absolutely necessary. And yet, these components are part of an overall unnecessary system that is dairy production. Of course it’s cruel in a variety of other ways too, but the primary use of the fallacy is assuming that we need to eat/utilise veal and beef due to them being necessary for dairy production, when dairy itself is unnecessary.
I love how everyone jumped on the example I used to defend these cruel practices instead of understanding how they were an example of the fallacy I was describing. And are trying to claim they’re not an example of the fallacy when they clearly are. Shows the world we live in…
On a mass scale to provide for everyone, it’s necessary. However, for sake of example, just switch veal to beef. Or switch it to any of the other cruel practices inherent in dairy farming. The fallacy still applies if you defend one practice as a necessary component of a larger unnecessary practice
What do you mean “it didn’t work”? Of course I mean that if we as a society eliminated it, that would prevent all of the harms involved in it. That hasn’t happened yet.
How is that relevant? In the fallacy I’m describing, people assume that the cruel practices involved in dairy farming are necessary while ignoring the fact that dairy farming itself is unnecessary (since it can theoretically be eliminated).
I think they can certainly apply to any situation where the logic is flawed, so arguing that something is necessary since it’s part of another system which itself is unnecessary, is a logical fallacy
If we accept that something is a necessary component of an unnecessary system, but then use that fact to argue that the component is necessary in absolute terms, that’s a logical fallacy given that it’s not absolutely necessary if the system it’s a part of isn’t absolutely necessary
After researching I found it can be called a false necessity fallacy or false requirement fallacy
Thanks, that’s almost what I mean, but I might modify your examples slightly. They’re good examples to work from lol (I’m pretty bad at coming up with scenarios that fit what I’m talking about). Sorry if this sounds kind of crazy:
Jess wants to draw a picture of a bird. For this, since Jess is completely broke and homeless, she would need to rob an art store to get art supplies. (Let’s say for sake of example that there is genuinely no other way for her to obtain art supplies to draw the picture). Jess justifies this act of robbing the store in order to draw her bird picture because there’s no other way she can make the picture otherwise. She makes the claim that robbing the art store is necessary in absolute terms, while overlooking or ignoring the fact that drawing the picture of the bird isn’t necessary in the first place (even though she might desire to draw it, she doesn’t need to, and therefore doesn’t need to rob the art store, either).
Or…
When Alan plays tennis, his knee hurts. Alan has a strange condition that his knee only hurts after he plays tennis. When his knee hurts, he has to put ice on it, which requires an expensive refrigerator with an ice machine since that’s the only way he can possibly get a good supply of ice in his situation (hypothetically). Alan then decides to buy the expensive refrigerator with stolen money from his grandma, and claims that it’s an absolute requirement for him to, without considering the fact that he doesn’t actually need to play tennis, though he might want to.
In both cases, someone is claiming that something (an action, state, etc) is necessary overall, because it’s part of a larger goal/endeavour; without addressing the reality that it would only be necessary as a component of that larger goal that it would be in service of, if that larger goal was necessary, which in fact it isn’t (and therefore neither are any components that would be required to achieve it).
Another example might involve arguing that the disposal of hazardous waste is necessary because it’s a byproduct of a particular manufacturing process, while ignoring the question of whether that manufacturing process itself is essential or necessary. This fallacy occurs when one justifies an undesirable or harmful element as a necessary component of a larger practice or system without questioning the necessity of the entire system or practice.
Is there any evidence of a difference in healthfulness between having fruit vs having added sugar along with fibre foods?
All of the info about why added sugar is unhealthy compared to fruits seems to be that the sugar in fruit comes with fibre and nutrients that offset the negative health impacts of sugar to a degree by delaying its absorption and preventing a blood sugar spike....
What's the song with the repeated lyrics "after the rain again, after the rain again"?
It’s a classic techno song that might be described as euro trance. I think I’ve heard the song but I’m asking for a friend. It might be an instance of the Mandela effect because the song can’t seem to be found anywhere.
In the show "3 Body Problem" (I haven't read the book) the statement was made **'our civilization is no longer capable of solving its own problems'**. Would you agree?
The show’s good btw…
What's the name of the fallacy where someone appeals to different circumstances that don't currently apply in order to justify something?
Here is the fallacy I’m describing:...
At what number of grains of sand does a non-pile graduate into being a pile?
I’m of the view that this is a semantic question where we have a word, “pile”, that describes a general amount but doesn’t have a specified quantity to it, and so the only way we can determine the amount of units required to constitute a pile at the bare minimum, is through public consensus on the most commonly shared...
What was Thoth's message for us?
Someone told me Thoth was a messenger god but I and everyone else are too dumb to understand what his message was.
Do people live at Mar A Logo?
Staff and guests? Will they all have to vacate with no notice if the property gets seized on Monday 3/25/24?
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If you've been fooled, does that make you "a fool"?
For example, if you said that someone had been fooled by something, would they take offense and think you’re calling them a fool or foolish?...
Why is this? (lemmy.world)
What can we do when something is too vast to provide representative examples for?
I feel like often people ask me “Oh yea? Name some examples.” and the burden is on me to prove something by providing representative examples. But often it’s so overwhelming how many examples there are for something that I feel obligated then to either list everything, or try extra hard to find good examples, and even then...
What's a movie where a single actor plays EVERY role (with no exceptions)?
Extras/other people in the background are acceptable to meet the criteria but ideally with no human/entity on the screen at all that isn’t played by the same actor....
Justifying one thing because it's a necessary component of another *unnecessary* thing... what logical fallacy is that?