QasimRashid,
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Blinken on ICC Warrants for:
•Putin: "Anyone who's a party to the ICC and has obligations should fulfill their obligations & turn over Putin."

•Netanyahu: "US rejects the ICC prosecutor’s application for arrest warrants for Israeli officials & Hamas."

Biden on ICC Warrants for:
•Putin: "The ICC warrants against Putin make a very strong point. He's clearly committed war crimes."

•Netanyahu: "The ICC prosecutor’s application for arrest warrants against Israeli leaders is outrageous."

Smh

QasimRashid,
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Putin's bombing has killed 10,500 Ukrainians & injured 19,000+

Netanyahu's bombing has killed 35,000 Palestinians & injured 70,000+

How is killing 10,500 Ukrainians = very strong point & clear war crimes but killing 35,000 Palestinians = outrageous to seek arrest?

So much for international rules based order. This lack of justice is devastating to global peace and stability.

Lazarou,
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@QasimRashid the World can see the double standard and will not fall for the banal excuses of unpopular Western leaders

Properganda,
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@Lazarou it’s intent, not number of killed. Putin clearly invaded Ukraine w/intent of wiping it off the map. Hamas has the same intention for Israel. Netanyahu can be accused of prosecuting a defensive war badly & even with selfish/corrupt ends, but not equivalent to genocidal terrorists.

rameshgupta,
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⬆️ @Properganda @Lazarou

>> it’s intent, not number of killed.

B.I.N.G.O.

>> Netanyahu can be accused of prosecuting a defensive war badly & even with selfish/corrupt ends, but not equivalent to genocidal terrorists

What many Israel supporters are seeing is that Bibi's INTENT has CHANGED from defending Israel to permanently occupying Gaza. NO intl presence

Clearing the population there is a step in that direction. CONTINUED support of Bibi is untenable just as any support of Hamas or Putin

rameshgupta,
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⬆️ @Properganda @Lazarou

Israeli officials seize AssociatedPress equipment and take down live shot of NORTHERN Gaza, where IDF just resumed fighting while still in Rafah.

“The shutdown was not based on the CONTENT of the feed but rather an abusive use by the Israeli government of the country’s new foreign broadcaster law.”

The AP complies with Israel’s military censorship rules, which prohibit broadcasts of details like troops movements that could endanger soldiers.

https://apnews.com/article/live-transmission-israel-associated-press-57e8f662907334ba3599156276381190

8124,
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@rameshgupta @Properganda The stated reason for the shutdown is that the AP was providing a feed to Al-Jazeera (already having been banned from reporting and caught propagandizing for hamas numerous times). AJ is state-owned media similar to RT but with a radical Islamist bent.

Still, this could be a mistake that we see reversed, but it is worth noting that AP has complied with hamas military censorship for many years without informing their audience. There is a reason we never saw any images of rockets being launched from residential areas, even though this happened many times. Matti Friedman has written a firsthand account about this (and more) from his time working for AP.

Bibi has many flaws, but he has not yet “betrayed” Israel. The disagreement stems from Gallant asserting that military government of Gaza would be a disaster, and that Netanyahu is incorrect about when a competing government can be established to further prevent hamas reconstitution.

rameshgupta,
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⬆️ @8124 @Properganda

is a propaganda outlet.
The is not 🙂

rameshgupta,
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⬆️ @8124 @Properganda

US urges Israel to reverse decision to seize AP equipment and block live Gaza footage.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Netanyahu raises a middle finger at US. AGAIN.

https://apnews.com/article/live-transmission-israel-associated-press-57e8f662907334ba3599156276381190

acarson,
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@rameshgupta @8124 @Properganda If the AP is providing a feed to AJ after AJ's been caught one too many times disseminating Hamas propaganda, then the AP is a de facto propaganda outlet, to say nothing of the years-long adherence to Hamas's rules that's already been mentioned in this thread. The AP can either be independent. or it can follow Hamas's rules and pass info to AJ, but it can't do both.

rameshgupta,
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⬆️ @acarson @8124 @Properganda

>> If the AP is providing a feed to AJ after AJ's been caught one too many times disseminating Hamas propaganda, then the AP is a de facto propaganda outlet

AP licenses its content to 1000s of outlets, nit just AJ. If that content is not propaganda, then it is NOT a propaganda outlet, regardless of what its licensees do with that content.

One can prosecute another for committing a crime, but one may not prosecute a third for selling food to the alleged criminal.

acarson,
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@rameshgupta @8124 @Properganda If you know that something's a propaganda outlet, and you're still licensing your content to them, then you're culpable. We live in a world where information is constantly weaponized and traditional media organizations are going to have to adapt to the new reality. They're not doing that.

rameshgupta,
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⬆️ @acarson @8124 @Properganda

There’s a reason why I chose “food” as an analogy above 🙂

Food vendor’s business is to sell food, not punish alleged criminals.

It is Israel’s right to ban Al Jazeera if they’ve determined that AJ promotes propaganda detrimental to Israel’s security.

It is not AssociatedPress’ responsibility to discriminate between 1000s of its licensees

acarson,
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@rameshgupta @8124 @Properganda While we're at it, can we just admire the irony of the same people who have been screaching for years now about how Fox News should be banned because misinformation are now outraged because Israel is banning media outlets? Just trying to claw some positivity out of this timeline.

8124,
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@acarson @rameshgupta @Properganda Hadn’t thought of that! And i remember when it was possible to tune into RT on American television.

acarson,
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@8124 @rameshgupta @Properganda First Amendment absolutism is going to be the death of us.

8124,
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@acarson @rameshgupta @Properganda If i’m going to steel-man the case for Fox News, just look at the trajectory of Tucker Carlson. He went from semi-tethered to reality, to regurgitating North Korean style propaganda about grocery stores, interviewing Putin without sticking up for his “colleagues” in his supposed profession, etc.

Also, Bret Baier is the one righteous show left on the network after Chris Wallace left. If Bret leaves too then i am fresh out of good things to say about them.

acarson,
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@8124 @rameshgupta @Properganda Also Tucker's antisemitism don't forget that. And he has the ear of Trump.

8124,
@8124@babka.social avatar

@acarson @rameshgupta @Properganda Too true. He really ramped that up as well. Also, I’m not panicking unless Biden botches the debate!

acarson,
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@8124 @rameshgupta @Properganda He's going to botch it, Biden has never been good on his feet except in a clock-is-right-twice-a-day sense. And while most of the time that's not really important, it's vitally important in an election year.

8124,
@8124@babka.social avatar

@acarson @rameshgupta @Properganda I thought he did ok in SOTU, even getting into some seemingly unscripted “crowd-work” with the hostile republicans. And he most definitely prevailed in the previous 1-on-1’s vs Trump.

acarson,
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@8124 @rameshgupta @Properganda I don't know. I mean he could surprise me I guess, but then he has to get through the rest of the time without stepping on anymore rakes, and I just don't see that happening. I hope I'm wrong, but I suspect that a lot of people are going to be in for a 2016-style shock come November, except this time will be way worse because Trump is nothing but openly petty and vindictive these days.

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