sun,
@sun@shitposter.world avatar

I was serious about the China thing, but it seems like everybody that comes from there says about the same thing, it seems like culture just got flattened

lain,
@lain@lain.com avatar

@sun I watched some Chinese ballet and parts of it were really avante garde, I think it’s hard for westerners to fathom the breadth of China and india

lain,
@lain@lain.com avatar

@sun (not because westerners are stupid, just because they lack the access)

sun,
@sun@shitposter.world avatar

@lain yeah and probably everybody that comes back just plain doesn't have access to most of it to speak authoritatively.

I just want to see it. I have a hunch it's there, I don't think chinese are subhuman so there's interesting stuff happening there but I can't see it.

grillchen,
@grillchen@brotka.st avatar

@sun @lain there are 8 big cuisines in china. they are very different to each other.

also i feel like western view is mostly focused on the east coast.

while the communist party did repress cultural stuff in the past afaik officially they stopped and started to preserve most cultural stuff.

i remember i watched a great theatre play about the autumn festival. harbin has a crazy ice festival but it was to cold to visit (i chickened out and went south)

istvan,
@istvan@noauthority.social avatar

@sun @lain I lived in China 15 years.

Culture was essentially murdered during cultural revolution, and the majority of people born in the 1960s, 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s barely had any idea about traditional culture.

The 2000s generation has gotten into rediscovering what was killed, and many things have come back in a big way.

Kind of funny to think about, but "China Wave" in music and fashion is actually a big thing in China right now.

sun,
@sun@shitposter.world avatar

@istvan @lain I am interested even in "small culture" like a really influential comedian or something like that

istvan,
@istvan@noauthority.social avatar

@sun @lain Hard to point to anything "really influential" that isn't mass directed from CCTV, which is losing popularity.

Things are more regional and fragmented now.

I'd say get on Xiaohongshu and doomscroll for a while.

sun,
@sun@shitposter.world avatar

@istvan @lain if people are doing anything interesting it should be talked about online right or is that suppressed somehow

lain,
@lain@lain.com avatar

@sun @istvan I doubt it’s especially suppressed, it’s just in Chinese and nobody can read that

sun,
@sun@shitposter.world avatar

@lain @istvan I'm gonna see if I can get on this thing. apparently if you're a foreigner you can't buy anything or see some product pages but you can use it

istvan,
@istvan@noauthority.social avatar

@lain @sun Hell of a lot easier to learn than Japanese.

lain,
@lain@lain.com avatar

@istvan @sun it’s not crazy hard to learn, but nobody does it except africans

istvan,
@istvan@noauthority.social avatar

@lain @sun I did.

lain,
@lain@lain.com avatar

@istvan @sun based and China pilled

sun,
@sun@shitposter.world avatar

@lain @istvan I didn't want to assume, it's just weird to me that information doesn't trickle into the Internet very well.

istvan,
@istvan@noauthority.social avatar

@sun @lain You're looking for something hard to find.

You either need a Chinese person who cares so much about random shit in China that they will go through the huge effort of making it accessible to foreigners, or a foreigner who cares so much about what's going on in China he will make it accessible to foreigners.

That's not much of a thing outside the crazy wuxia fiction fan translation community.

sun,
@sun@shitposter.world avatar

@istvan @lain I accept that this interest may be just a pipe dream. I just had a curiosity because it feels like not much from there actually makes it here.

istvan,
@istvan@noauthority.social avatar

@sun @lain Always been the case. Few people have the passion to bridge the gap, and so few people give a fuck about that work that they usually don't keep it up for long.

More often you just see retards like SertpentZA giving their smooth-brained political takes. That seems to be the only China content foreigners care about.

sun,
@sun@shitposter.world avatar

@istvan @lain I kind of fell into that for a while (there's a lot of that content yeah) and I'm not quite out of "china bad" mindset but I'm trying to erase it and focus just on actual interesting things.

istvan,
@istvan@noauthority.social avatar

@sun @lain Is there anything in particular you are looking for? If it happens to be something I have some interest in maybe I can make a recommendation.

sun,
@sun@shitposter.world avatar

@istvan @lain No not really I just felt weird that I wasn't seeing a lot of stuff like I do with say Japanese, even if it's stuff that doesn't get shared openly with us I find references to it online so I know it exists.

istvan,
@istvan@noauthority.social avatar

@sun @lain If you are into idol pop, someone has taken the time to subtitle a lot of the songs by SING女团. They are very much in that "China Wave" category.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49d95ni5J9Y

sun,
@sun@shitposter.world avatar

@istvan @lain great, thank you. bookmarking.

istvan,
@istvan@noauthority.social avatar

@sun @lain You might also poke around YouTube more.

There are tons of Chinese dramas with English subtitles on there.

If you are looking for stuff without a modern setting, can look for historical dramas, immortal fantasy (仙俠), or swordsman fantasy (武俠).

Main difference between the two is 仙俠 is usually gods and demons and magic, and 武俠 is fictional martial arts. Some stories cross between the genre.

hakui,
@hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info avatar

@istvan @sun @lain tangentially related
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istvan,
@istvan@noauthority.social avatar

@hakui @lain @sun May be tldr depending on how deep moon is going.

I think hes just curious and not up for full Chinese fiction autism yet。

ageha,
@ageha@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu avatar

@sun @lain @istvan
maybe could lend you this book. but talks brief period between normal-people-have-net-access and state censorship catches up, with a bit more sharing freedom and kinda discovering the rest of the world is making things too (see "fansubbing" above
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hakui,
@hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info avatar

@ageha @sun @istvan @lain >brief period between normal-people-have-net-access and state censorship catches up
here's a comedy from that era about a north korean 007 smuggling XO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrYiC1HzY7Q

rin,
@rin@post.ebin.club avatar

@hakui @lain @istvan @sun @ageha clicked on this a week ago, but haven't actually watched. was scrolling through my watch history today while having lunch with chinese friends and forgot how it ended up there, so just asked friends if they know anything about it.

ended up watching it together, good laugh, thanks hakui.

istvan,
@istvan@noauthority.social avatar

@sun @lain It's really fragmented.

There isn't much going on in regards to Chinese webspace at the moment aside from a few porn BBSes clinging to life. Otherwise just news, and that's all propaganda. Weibo is corporate spam and a channel people maintain for their work only if they have to.

Life has really sectioned off into niche interests. Most of what's going on is in small WeChat groups, and video content on Xiaohongshu.

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