janrosenow,
@janrosenow@mastodon.energy avatar

We are now beyond peak fossil gas in the Netherlands.

Never has the country used less gas compared to 40 years ago.

This will only accelerate in future years drive by policy and regulation.

Data: CBS 2024, HT @semoxenaar at @RegulatoryAssistanceProject

nafnlaus,
@nafnlaus@fosstodon.org avatar

@janrosenow @semoxenaar @RegulatoryAssistanceProject Use has barely declined. But production has collapsed. This is not a good trend to see. It means greater dependency on outside regimes, such as Russia. It's NIMBYism at its worst. In the middle of a war.

diondokter,

@nafnlaus @janrosenow @semoxenaar @RegulatoryAssistanceProject Well, I'd be pretty NIMBY too when the gas production caused earthquakes that ruined my house to the point it's declared unlivable...

It's political suicide to reopen the gasfields in Groningen.
The other place we could get gas from is the Wadden sea, but it's protected nature that would be endangered by the sinking of the ground.

diondokter,

@nafnlaus So really production is low because we don't have big gasfields anymore that are out of the way

nafnlaus,
@nafnlaus@fosstodon.org avatar

@diondokter You very much do, you just choose not to use them.

That is not a natural decline curve. That curve is a political decision.

nafnlaus,
@nafnlaus@fosstodon.org avatar

@diondokter @diondokter You very much do, you just choose not to use them.

That is not a natural decline curve. That curve is a political decision. Even the residents of Groningen support more extraction even without greater compensation.

https://dvhn.nl/groningen/Groningers-steunen-opendraaien-gaskraan-27515897.html

Up compensation from the pathetic 0,33% of revenue, and support would be even higher.

You think producing fossil fuels has no impacts when it doesn't happen within your borders? Sorry, but that's the very definition of NIMBY.

nafnlaus,
@nafnlaus@fosstodon.org avatar

@diondokter If you want to keep consuming gas but not producing it, you're a hypocrite.

And if you want to stop being called a hypocrite for doing so, stop being a hypocrite.

If you switch from being a net exporter to a net importer at a time where Russia is blackmailing Europe and profiting hand over fist on gas exports, you're supporting autocracy and ethnic cleansing.

And if you don't want to be called out for that, then stop doing it.

nafnlaus,
@nafnlaus@fosstodon.org avatar

@diondokter And for the record: a 3,1 magnitude earthquake, yet alone the various 2-point-something magnitude quakes, is pathetically small. I live in Iceland; we get earthquakes all the time. You'd be lucky if you even noticed a 3,1 magnitude quake.

nafnlaus,
@nafnlaus@fosstodon.org avatar

@diondokter (Cue a dozen "damage" pictures of the same pre-1900 cafe (part of an 1865 corn mill) that was gutted in a fire in 2003), cause, you know, totally modern construction and maintenance standards there...)

nafnlaus,
@nafnlaus@fosstodon.org avatar

@diondokter The TL/DR: I know you don't want to be judged for this. But you absolutely WILL be judged for this, because what you're doing is boosting Russia in the middle of an invasion of Europe.

diondokter,

@nafnlaus Russia is not really having a boost though because. They made lots more money before the war from their gas export

nafnlaus,
@nafnlaus@fosstodon.org avatar

@diondokter I guess that means you better keep funding them, because what a brilliant idea it was to fund them war, let alone to keep doing so now, right? :eyeroll: 🤦‍♀️

prefec2,
@prefec2@norden.social avatar

@nafnlaus @diondokter the best way to go is to phase out natural gas all together, like Denmark, utilizing bio gas and heat pumps.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/703645/natural-gas-consumption-denmark/

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