hilljam,
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what is jazz? indeed, what is any genre, really?

https://jamieslist.deptofenergymgmt.com/p/thats-not-jazz

DenOfEarth,
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@hilljam
While looking for a CD that was sold out elsewhere at the time, I popped into a Walmart on the theory that they might have more stock or less interest (can't remember for the life of me what it was), only to find that Miles Davis and other greats had been mixed in with all the most generic classical records (Beethoven's Fifth, Mozart's greatest hits, etc) in a section boldly labelled "Easy Listening".

I recovered my monocle from my waistcoat pocket and left.

axwax,
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@hilljam

I would argue most new (sub)genres were invented by people who were "doing it wrong" (according to the purists/gatekeepers).

It certainly is a great way to increase the musical gene pool...

Also, "doing it wrong" is recommended practice to make proper . And .

StarlingW,
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@hilljam

Man I remember the fuss in the Jazz community when Miles Davis released Tutu, which did so not sound like a Jazz album (and even less so live). I wore grooves in my ears listening to it. Absolutely kicked butt. So much fun.

airwhale,
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@hilljam

Any genere must be more than just instrumentation and production, right? Re-listening to Blackstar now, and to me, this is still straight-up whatever type of rock Bowie always made. The saxophone has been a part of his sonic signature for decades, just hiring jazz guys to play rock doesn't make it jazz.

Bowie's WRITING is still true to his whole catalog, and sonically it all fits.

Listen to the drum and bass, these jazz guys are super thrilled to finally be playing in a rock band 😄

billyjoebowers,
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@hilljam

I think people can't seem to remember that musical genres are imperfect descriptions of what is, and not a set of rules to follow.

This applies to a lot of things in life.

(I heard someone say something similar about music theory once)

Traiken,
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@hilljam "Jazz" and "rules" seem like odd bedfellows, and I think there's a larger categorization to music that could be applied: whether the emphasis is on structure or on expression. It reminds me of something Trent Reznor said about being inducted in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, on what "rock" even is and that the Hall of Fame can recognize "synth" bands: "It's the spirit of expression and, to me, freedom and no limits to expression. That's my version of what rock means."

hilljam,
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@Traiken oh, i love this. i remember seeing that quote at the time. i've always thought synth music was rock too. at least the way i like to do it! 😂🖤

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