nyrath,
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The Young Adventurer's Pocket Book of Space Travel (1954)

https://dreamsofspace.blogspot.com/2023/05/the-young-adventurers-pocket-book-of.html?m=1

60sRefugee,
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@nyrath Throw in the magic word "atomic" and you don't have to worry about such petty things as reaction mass.

RogerBW,
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@nyrath Under thrust it's a tower. On a planet it's a tower. But it still has longitudinal decks…

(One reason I like It! The Terror From Beyond Space perhaps better than it deserves is that it doesn't compromise on this: going from section to section of the ship is always a matter of a ladder and a hatch.)

nyrath,
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@RogerBW

Agreed.

That is one of my primary scifi irritations: rockets are not boats.
I used to blame Star Trek, but it is obviously much older.

https://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/advdesign.php#down

RogerBW,
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@nyrath I wonder how much of that is (a) ships and aeroplanes influencing fictional spacecraft design and (b) 4:3 and later 16:9 screens making it easier to show a flat thing than a tall one.

nyrath,
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@RogerBW

Now I DO blame Star Trek for propagating the Rockets are Hotels fallacy

https://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/misconceptions.php#nothotel

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nyrath, (edited )
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@RogerBW

The earliest airplane-rocketship I managed to find is that thing from the 1930 movie Just Imagine.

It was later used in the first Flash Gordon movie.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_Imagine

pauldrye,
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@nyrath @RogerBW How about the Aeriolus, "the submarine of the air"? Also helicopter and rocket -- or at least gun-propelled in space.

From 1920, particularly Marcianus Rossi's A Trip to Mars: https://archive.org/details/triptomars00ross/page/84/mode/2up?view=theater

nyrath,
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@pauldrye @RogerBW

Indeed so! Flying submarines continue to be a popular motif

https://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/flitters.php#triphibians

pauldrye,
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@nyrath @RogerBW "Secretly tested by Denmark" feels like the aerospace equivalent of "my girlfriend lives in Canada"....

Aaron_DeVries,
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@nyrath @RogerBW

I like the Excelsior from the silent 1918 sci-fi film "A trip to Mars". It took them 6 months to reach Mars in what is basically an airplane boat with a horizontal deck.

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nyrath,
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tkinias,
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@nyrath
I’m a bit puzzled by the internal layout here: it looks like there’s a spun middle section (with floor=toward outer hull)—but the forward section seems to be oriented airplane-style, with people standing on longitudinal decks?

nyrath,
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@tkinias

You got me, I have no idea. Logically the crew in the forward section should be oriented such that the direction of "down" is the direction the rocket exhaust is going. When thrust is turned off, the crew use magnetic shoes.

I guess the artist didn't get the memo.

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