‘How do you get hypothermia in a prison?’ Records show hospitalizations among Virginia inmates

The Virginia State Police investigator seemed puzzled about what the inmate was describing: “unbearable” conditions at a prison so cold that toilet water would freeze over and inmates were repeatedly treated for hypothermia.

“How do you get hypothermia in a prison?” the investigator asked. “You shouldn’t.”

The exchange, captured on video obtained by The Associated Press, took place during an investigation into the death of Charles Givens, a developmentally disabled inmate at the Marion Correctional Treatment Center, who records show was among those repeatedly hospitalized for hypothermia.

After a special grand jury considered the case but opted not to bring criminal charges, Givens’ sister sued in federal court, alleging her brother was subjected to routine mistreatment, including “cold-water torture,” before he was fatally beaten in 2022.

The lawsuit has raised broader questions about conditions at the southwest Virginia prison, which the grand jury described as “inhumane and deplorable.”

lemmyhavesome,

Cruel and unusual punishment.

Kolanaki, (edited )
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

If it’s the norm, can it really be called unusual? 🤔 ^/s^

phoenixz,

So the usual cruel punishment

some_guy,

Easy answer: neglect.

Badeendje,
@Badeendje@lemmy.world avatar

Nah neglect means not caring. This is on purpose, by design, intebtional. This is torture.

jpreston2005,

The AP obtained records showing inmates at Marion, which houses predominantly mentally ill offenders, were hospitalized for hypothermia at least 13 times in three years during cold-weather months

Nothing to see here folks, just people who were too stupid to be a cop torturing mentally ill people under the auspice of state care. Don’t worry! nothing will happen to them.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Will there ever be a way to convince the American public that prisons are not supposed to be cruel and the justice system shouldn’t be about vengeance?

Coreidan,

And then what? What is the American public supposed to do about it?

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Vote accordingly.

Coreidan,

Good luck with that

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Should we do nothing and hope it gets better?

Coreidan,

I don’t see the difference

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

The difference between doing nothing and doing something?

Coreidan,

Pretty much. “Doing something” in terms of voting has the same outcome as doing nothing.

The only way we’ll have any real change is if we roll out the guillotines. Are you willing to go there?

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Why are you asking me if I’m willing to when you clearly haven’t done so yourself?

You should be asking yourself that question.

Coreidan,

So you won’t answer the question? I’ll take that as a no. You’re not willing.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

No, I’m not willing to commit murder. And clearly neither are you or you’d have done it already. Don’t ask other people to be brave on your behalf. Go start this glorious revolution of yours and stop being an armchair Che Guevara.

Coreidan,

Just pointing out the hypocrisy. You’re quick to put everyone down and blame the American public thinking that voting will solve everything. Every candidate is a screaming dickhead.

If you’re not willing to actually do anything then you should just stfu otherwise you sound like a hypocrite.

I’ve been voting my entire life and have yet to see a candidate that will work for the American public.

Listening to people like you is tiring and doesn’t get us anywhere.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

So you are perfectly satisfied with how America is, right? Since you’re unwilling to start cutting off heads? And you never complain about anything, right? If I go through your comment history, I won’t find one complaint about things in the U.S.?

Coreidan,

Complain all you want but trying to convince me that voting is going to save us is a futile effort.

People like you just don’t understand how much of a strangle hold the media has on the public’s mind. You just don’t understand how much corporations control us.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

People like you just don’t understand how much of a strangle hold the media has on the public’s mind. You just don’t understand how much corporations control us.

So why aren’t you getting out the guillotine? I thought it makes you a hypocrite wanting to change these things but not being willing to cut heads off.

Once again, sounds like you want people to be brave on your behalf.

Coreidan,

You’re a hypocrite because you put the blame on everyone else but you sit there as an arm chair warrior.

I’m not the one complaining about why isn’t the American public doing something. You are.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I’m not complaining about anything. I’m asking how to convince people of something. And the ironic part of this is that I’m asking how to get people out of a vengeance mentality and your answer is vengeance.

Coreidan,

Cool good luck with that. Let me know how that goes.

I am sure you’re going to change the world by spreading your words on lemmy. Sounds like complaining to me.

🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Do explain how asking a question is complaining.

Coreidan,

Look up the definition of complaining and get back to me

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Sure, just as soon as you look up what vengeance means. Because, again, your suggestion for getting people out of a vengeance mentality is vengeance. While suggesting I’m disparaging Americans by suggesting they have a vengeance mentality.

Coreidan,

I’m disparaging Americans by suggesting they have a vengeance mentality.

Wrong. Americans are sitting on their asses. There is no vengeance or vengeance mentality. If that’s truly what you think you need to go outside and touch grass. Go mingle with your community because your mind is warped. Lemmy and reddit is a terrible representation of the American or greater mentality in the world.

Looking at your comment history it’s clear you spend entirely way too much time on lemmy. It’s no wonder your perspective is so warped.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I am far from the only one who sees America’s vengeance culture. Here are some others who see it, including academics:

The call for vengeance is rooted in the nation’s very founding, in the way English settlers treated the native people and each other. Over the last four centuries, it has repeatedly been expressed as violence acted upon the most defenseless people, scapegoats of social tyranny. Vengeance is the Achilles heel of what it means to an American, negating the hope that inspires each generation and continues to draw immigrants.

The most gruesome recent examples of social vengeance were the state murders of Troy Anthony Davis in Georgia and Lawrence Russell Brewer in Texas. For many supporters of the death penalty, these killings illustrate the blindness of justice: death was inflicted fairly on an obviously wrongly-convicted black man and an unrepentant racist white man. For anyone who believes in a humane sense of justice, one that has a moral or ethical (as opposed to a vindictive or punitive) lesson at its heart, these acts illustrate how barbarity is accepted as a normal part of American life.

From the return of the death penalty to the wars on terror and in Iraq, Americans demand retribution and moral certainty; they assert the “rights of victims” and make pronouncements against “evil.” Yet for Aladjem this dangerously authoritarian turn has its origins in the tradition of liberal justice itself - in theories of punishment that justify inflicting pain and in the punitive practices that result. Exploring vengeance as the defining problem of our time, Aladjem returns to the theories of Locke, Hegel and Mill. He engages the ancient Greeks, Nietzsche, Paine and Foucault to challenge liberal assumptions about punishment. He interrogates American law, capital punishment and images of justice in the media.

In this season of gratitude and goodwill, we’re greeted with headlines reporting revenge travel, revenge dressing, revenge impeachments and revenge of presidential proportions in the 2024 campaign of Donald Trump. But are Americans avengers?

The answer was simple once. Yes, we dreamed of revenge, cheered it at theaters and sports arenas, secretly wished it upon bosses and double-crossers. We prayed revenge would right family slights and false friends. Yet we respected the line between fantasy and action. Our society demanded it. Vengeance was considered uncivilized, unethical, an act of ugly self-destruction. We denied the need to get even.

In recent years though, we’ve seen a surge in vindictive behavior. Judges, journalists, politicians and their families have been targeted with violent reprisals. Online encounters trend spiteful, with TikTok and Bumble fighting the spread of revenge porn. Corporate culture plays like a mud-pit production of “Measure for Measure,” starring Elon Musk. And congressional midterms are a grudge match, the next round scheduled for January, according to the headlines: “The GOP captures the House — and is ready for revenge.”

…harvard.edu/…/culture-vengeance-and-fate-america…

politico.com/…/lets-get-american-revenge-00074960

thenation.com/…/abortion-afghanistan-revenge/

repository.law.umich.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?refe…

www.counterpunch.org/2011/…/american-vengeance/

So are you sure it’s not you who has the warped perspective? Considering you’re suggesting people commit murder to effect change?

Coreidan,

I don’t see how any of this represents the greater American public. Plus it’s just more garbage from the main stream media.

You live in an echo chamber. This is why you need to go out and touch grass and actually meet your community.

You link a couple of articles about psychos being psychos.

Are you saying we need to convince mentally ill people to stop being mentally ill?

Again you clearly don’t see how much of a strangle hold corporations have on everything including the “news”. The people you’re voting for don’t represent you. They are there to collect big bucks from corporate lobbying.

All of these politicians are filthy rich. Ask yourself why when their salary is less than 100k a year.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Harvard is the mainstream media? The University of Michigan is the mainstream media?

Again you clearly don’t see how much of a strangle hold corporations have on everything including the “news”. The people you’re voting for don’t represent you. They are there to collect big bucks from corporate lobbying.

All of these politicians are filthy rich. Ask yourself why when their salary is less than 100k a year.

Again, why are you not getting out the guillotine if you’re complaining about this? Because you said that makes someone a hypocrite if they complain about America but don’t get out the guillotine.

Coreidan,

LOL Harvard is all rich people. They represent rich people. Who do you think owns the 24 hour news cycle? Rich people. Who do you think is buying politicans? Rich people. Wake up and get off Fox News. If you want to sling shit at anyone it’s corporations.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Yet again, why haven’t you gotten out the guillotine?

Coreidan,

Because you said that makes someone a hypocrite if they complain about America but don’t get out the guillotine.

Actually I never said this. So either you have reading problems or you’re now trying to use straw man arguments to win a moronic position.

The reason I don’t pull the guillotines out is the same reason you don’t. But I am not going to sit here and circle jerk myself into thinking that voting is going to change anything when we have 50 years of evidence that it doesn’t.

I called you a hypocrite because you’re calling out Americans when you’re sitting on your ass. I am not the one calling anyone out except you.

I can tell you’re bad at reading comprehension.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

The reason I don’t pull the guillotines out is the same reason you don’t. But I am not going to sit here and circle jerk myself into thinking that voting is going to change anything when we have 50 years of evidence that it doesn’t.

…and we’re back to ‘do nothing and change nothing.’

Coreidan,

Well you’re already doing nothing so good job on that one

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Please prove I am doing nothing about prison reform.

Unless that was a lie. Was it a lie?

Coreidan,

Shit posting doesn’t count

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

In other words, you have no proof and you lied. Thanks for that tacit admission.

Coreidan,

Or maybe you lied. Do you have proof you didn’t lie?

Naner naner! I got you!

Sick retort kiddo!

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

That’s an interesting way to avoid backing up your claim.

Coreidan,

What claim is that? That you sound mentally ill right now?

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I sound mentally ill because I’m asking you for evidence of your claim about someone you’ve never met and know next to nothing about?

I think you may want to go back over that…

Cyv_,

Hypocrisy: saying one thing and doing the opposite.

“We should go vote and make a positive change” Proceeds to vote to try to make a positive change.

“We should do a full on head cutting French revolution!” Complains on the internet about how people suck and doesn’t do a revolution.

Hmm…

bane_killgrind,

There’s some value in bringing some woodworking tools and lumber to city Hall and make yourself one as a performance piece

disguy_ovahea,

Vote. Write Congress. Petition. Protest. Repeat.

slacktoid,
@slacktoid@lemmy.ml avatar

But justice is about taking an eye for an eye right? /s

disguy_ovahea,

I’m hearing we should take a dealer’s drugs and drug money, or a car thief’s car, and call it square.

slacktoid,
@slacktoid@lemmy.ml avatar

Why stop there… Take their life as well. Lol /s

Empricorn,

Even that biblical context was about making someone whole. You stole their cow and sold it, they get one of yours. The current American prison system is simply about cruelty and profit.

slacktoid,
@slacktoid@lemmy.ml avatar

That makes a little more sense. (the historic pov) but yeah the current system is just about creating a new class of slave labor its got nothing going on for it in terms of rehabilitation. Its increasingly frustrating when other countries have kinda mapped out a model and you just have to transpose it. But we can’t have nice things.

also i was being sarcastic in the previous message hence the /s. Sorry.

Empricorn,

Nothing to be sorry about! I was also venting; hope I didn’t come across as too contrary.

slacktoid,
@slacktoid@lemmy.ml avatar

Oh youre good. I just wanted to make sure there was no misunderstanding. And please vent away. Its depressing.

Sidyctism, (edited )

You guys are so adorable * . *

Dagwood222,

Concrete floors are usually cooler than the rest of the room. Knock someone out, throw a bucket of water on them, and just let them lay there.

girlfreddy,
@girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

The Department of Corrections and attorney general’s office previously withheld documents the AP sought under the state’s open-records law related to Givens’ death and inmate complaints about cold temperatures.

I wonder just how many serial killers are employed by the Dept of Corrections?

SpaceNoodle,

It would be easier to list the employees that aren’t.

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