rzeta0,
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lots of discussion about #emacs and #lisp on mastodon

is this representative of real world trends or just a bubble on mastodon?

amoroso,
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@rzeta0 I don't know. But what matters to me is I'm having lots of fun with Lisp, even if it's not representative of real world trends.

carcosa,
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@rzeta0 Some of both. I think both Emacs and Lisp are thriving in smaller communities that are overrepresented on Fedi. I mean to say, the trend for both is upward, but small enough you wouldn't notice in the "real world".

rzeta0,
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@carcosa

thank you.

what do you think is causing the upward trend for both?

is it a concern that vscode, the latest darling of developers, may become sour due to microsoft's behaviour - and so people are reconsidering truly free editors/IDEs?

and lisp - what happened to turn people from python/javacript/rust/etc ... ?

holgerschurig,

@rzeta0 @carcosa

what do you think is causing the upward trend for both?

I would say a vocal minority. Both editors are used by people that are somehow emotional attached to them (and also by lots of people that just use it as a tool, like grep). The emotional attached percentage however might by higher than for other editors.

And so we have an "editor war" of Vi vs. Emacs since decades, but not e.g. of Eclipse vs. VSCode.

And while the scripting of Emacs due to Lisp is lightyears ahead of Vi, it also is lightyears behind modern languages (e.g. Nim). But again there are very vocal, emotionally attached people that all the time say how great Lisp is. Fully ignoring the type unsafety, no namespacing, and the odd (almost random) naming of important and not-so-important functions / macros. That the environment throws more than 10000 functions in onto you in one namespace (i.E. almost unstructured) ... they ignore it.

But if you are emotionally attached to it, you'll defend it against any "attack". And this increases visibility unproportional IMHO. E.g. no one defend a mere tool, like "grep" vs. "ripgrep".

P.S. I use Emacs, I even like it. Due to productivity. And I like even its mastodon instance @emacs.ch :-)

carcosa,
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@holgerschurig @rzeta0 I do frequently wish Emacs were written in Common Lisp - which has package namespaces and gradual typing. Emacs Lisp is kind of special.

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