liv,
@liv@lemmy.nz avatar

The fast track could affect so much stuff.

We could end up with white elephant projects or worse, something super destructive from an overseas mining company that we can’t get rid of without opening us up to Investor State Disputes.

It’s a return to Muldoonism but the global stakes are much higher these days, we can’t afford to play banana republic.

BalpeenHammer,

I think we should be ready to use the correct word for this which is corruption.

liv,
@liv@lemmy.nz avatar

It really is.

A useful wake up call for National supporters is to reflect on will they still be comfortable with this legislation when a Labour/Green government is in power and, say, Marama Davidson is the one who chooses which organizations to invite and picks the projects to rush through.

BalpeenHammer,

The know that Labour and Greens would not be this corrupt so they are secure in the knowledge that only their side will enrich themselves.

liv,
@liv@lemmy.nz avatar

But it doesn’t have to be about enriching yourself.

There are plenty of people on the left who want to save the environment by “any means necessary”. A fast track could come in handy for creating national parks etc.

BalpeenHammer,

There are plenty of people on the left who want to save the environment by “any means necessary”.

Really? Plenty of people? Any means necessary? What percentage of the people on the left would advocate for slaughtering of babies in order to save the environment? how plenty is plenty?

do you honestly believe a majority or even a significant portion of the left would advocate for global nuclear war to save the environment?

liv,
@liv@lemmy.nz avatar

Oh my goodness I was joking. Of course not. The quotation marks around “any means necessary” were scare quotes to indicate an ironic use of the term.

Relax, I’m not writing to Chloe Swarbrick to demand the use of the fast track to slaughter babies.

I don’t see anything in our conversation above (or other conversations with you) that would indicate that I’m either criticising the left or else that I’m some kind of delusional homicidal fringe member of the left.

Anyway, my idea of a witty comment did not work and tone is hard on the internet. Sorry. I think maybe I need to stay out of the politics section!

BalpeenHammer,

Anyway, my idea of a witty comment did not work and tone is hard on the internet. Sorry. I think maybe I need to stay out of the politics section!

Or maybe, just maybe learn what a joke looks like. That way when you say something no sane person would interpret as a joke you won’t have to write a post explaining your supposed joke.

liv,
@liv@lemmy.nz avatar

That’s unnecessarily cruel. There’s no need to tell me I’m “no sane person” or to say I “need to learn what a joke looks like”, just because of one misunderstanding that I literally just apologized to you for straight away.

We’re on the same side about this issue. All I was trying to do, was agree with you and share ideas for how I think left wing people like me could maybe influence middle New Zealand to see how bad the fast track bill is.

I know I’m poorly socialized these days. I don’t get to practice much because I hardly ever get to have conversations irl any more, but it felt friendly here in lemmy.nz until right this moment.

I don’t know if you’re having a bad day or if it’s always like this, but I just… Idk, I don’t come here to get into arguments and be called names, it’s depressing, so I won’t be doing this with you any more.

Anyway, thank you for all the articles you posted in recent months. I have really enjoyed reading them and your thoughts. Nga mihi.

BalpeenHammer,

Why are you so fragile? Why are you willing to dish it out but the minute anybody pushes back you start whinging about how poor little you are being abused on the internets.

AWOL_muppet,

I’ve been waiting for the external agencies to recognise we’re all talk lately. This is good (in a way), hopefully there will be some consequences, but I doubt it, or if so, it’ll be so delayed that these clowns will continue willfully ambivalent

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