If apple is viable for consumers, and apple uses ARM, then ARM is viable for consumers.
Windows and Linux being unfortunately behind is not an argument against ARM being viable, it shows it’s not ready - however, apple was in the same situation before they moved to ARM, so theoretically Microsoft could attempt a similar investment and push towards ARM. Apple’s control over both hardware and software certainly helped them, and went well for them.
That said, maybe it’s a disagreement on terminology. When I say that ARM is viable, I mean that it’s ready to create hardware and software that does what people need it to do. Apple clearly succeeded, now it’s a question of if/when manufacturers start making open hardware and software starts compatibility… Or if maybe another option will succeed instead.
We also have proof that ARM sucks for gaming and has many compatibility issues running X86 programs.
Is ARM more mature than RISCV? Yes definitely. But just like RISCV ARM is also not a replacement for X86. Especially when running games or professional proprietary garbage software X86 is still the way to go.
Doesn’t c stand for e-cores? Packing up to 32 e-cores must be easier than with normal cores.
Also kinda wish they went the other direction a little, cut cure counts and put more cache across all levels on some cores instead for better single thread performance, a ‘very big’ core so to say. Intel’s cache sizes have been larger then amd since alder lake and there stayed competitive despite their process node disadvantage
Not quite an e-core but the goal is the same: Make more efficient use of the available die space by packing in more, slower cores.
The difference is that Intel’s e-cores achieve this by having a different architecture and support less features than their p-cores. E-cores for example do not support multi threading. E-cores are about 1/4 the size of a o-core.
AMD’s 4c cores support the same features and have the same IPC as full zen 4 cores but operate at a lower clock speed. This reduces thermal output of the core, allowing them to pack in the circuitry much more densely.
Undoubtedly Intel’s e-cores take advantage of this effect as well and they are in fact quite a bit smaller than 4c: a 4c core is about 1/2 the size of a zen 4 core. The advantage of AMD’s approach is that having the cores be the same simplifies the software side of things.
The c variants of zen are for cloud and are more compact variants of the full zen 5 cores, they generally want as many cores in as compact a format as possible.
We might see 5c show up in SoCs (like the chip in a hypothetical steam deck 2) as well because they want their chips to be as small as possible so they can price their devices as competitively as possible. I don’t think we will see those go up to 32 cores however as there is indeed no need for that many cores on consumer chips.
I feel like I’ve been hearing about AMDs “next” CPU having dozens of cores on a bunch of chiplets for the last few generations, then the main gaming consumer parts end up with 6 or 8 or something.
The 7950 has 16 cores. I think what the article is suggesting is the very top of the line in the next gen could go potentially double, up to 32. I would imagine if that happened though that the more midline ones would still be in the 12-16 core range. I guess we’ll see when they come out though.
Yea here’s hoping. I’m skipping the 7000 series parts and sticking with my 5800x3d, I really want a higher core part that still has all the single ccd x3d advantages, since I game and do CPU heavy work on the same rig.
Most games can’t take advantage of more than a couple cores anyway, and the high-core-count CPUS often sacrifice a little clock speed.
The optimal gaming CPU is like 4-8 cores but with a high clock speed. The 32+ core machines are for compute heavy tasks like CAD or running simulations. Sometimes compilers.
I’d kill for a single CCD 16 core x3d part. The 7950x3d is tempting with it’s 3d CCD and high clock speed CCD, but since not every game/program knows how to use it properly you end up with hit or miss performance.
1% and 0.1% lows will almost always be CPU bound as it loads more in. Well assuming it’s not vram limiting you. Games are pretty CPU intensive these days since the PS5 and Xbox no longer have potato CPUs. At 120+ fps I regularly see >50% CPU usage in most games. And that’s with nothing running in the background. In the real world you have a ton of background tasks, YouTube videos, discord etc eating your CPU.
Also the 4090 is an absolute beast. My 5800X3D absolutely holds my 4090 back pretty often honestly.
We’re in the days of Intel’s top chips degrading themselves in a matter of weeks due to thermals being simply unmanageable under anything less than a beefy 360mm AIO or custom loop cooling at stock settings
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