The Supreme Court is expected to issue its ruling on the Biden administration's student loan forgiveness plan this month. Anticipation for the ruling is high.
If nothing else, student loans should no longer be exempt from bankruptcy. Makes no sense that any basically any debt can be forgiven except that one specific type for some reason.
The key thing to know? Americans were dumb as fuck to not go all in for Hillary Clinton, and thus giving Trump and Republicans 3 damn Surpreme Court Justices for free.
Or, the democrats could have rallied behind Bernie because a majority of dem voters resonated with his messaging instead Hillary’s. I maintain, that Trump was as much Dems fault as it was everyone else’s.
Then he should have won the nomination. Maybe by asking the people who they'd prefer to go to the presidential election. We could call that "primary elections" and Bernie Sanders should win one maybe.
He didn't win the nomination. Then a bunch of Bernie supporters made the same mistake that so many did in 2000 and did a protest vote or didn't vote at all and we got Trump. It's almost comical how easily the right pulls this shit and gets their candidate to win.
wait wait wait. Lets not forget dems use super delegates so winning is a lot like an electoral college victory. The party is asking for disloyalty under that undemocratic system. I will grant though it is supposed to be to keep someone like trump from running on the party ticket.
More Hillary voters voted for McCain than Bernie voters that voted for Trump.
Stop pretending that your shitty candidate is owed votes. This is juts like when Dems say that Green party voters should've voted for them. If you want that, then actually try to earn said votes.
I support student loan forgiveness; however, not addressing the root problem only kicks the can down the road. What is the government doing to prevent this same situation from happening again in 5-10 years?
Nothing. Then again the government isn't doing the forgiveness either. Until Congress is no longer dead set on trying to increase everyone's suffering, nothing will be done.
I can understand that sentiment, sucks to have paid it off and then watch other people get it wiped out. However, wouldn't you it be great for others to not have to go through what you went through, regardless of your sunk cost? Can't we all just empathize and accept that sometimes life sucks but we can correct it for others moving forward?
wouldn't you it be great for others to not have to go through what you went through, regardless of your sunk cost?
That sounds more like fixing the root cause: the high prices. Not a one time payout to whoever is lucky enough to owe a lot of money at the time of forgiveness.
Oh fuck that. We can decide to forgive student loans, we do bailouts all the time. It's our government and our money. You would rather it go to banks then vote Republican.
So did I and judging from your amount you likely went to school around when I did. Im completely fine with the foregiveness because I know I could never have come back from the load of debt required now. Im pretty sure I would not have gone to college if I was not an Xer.
If you want to be angry, then be angry at the PPP loans that were just forgiven. They sum to a much higher amount than and student loan forgiveness plan.
I hear this a lot but I think this is a bad faith argument.
People took out student loans with the knowledge that they'd have to pay them back.
Businesses took out PPP loans with the knowledge that they'd be forgiven if certain conditions were met.
I do think people should be angry that PPP loans were issued and forgiven under conditions that practically begged for fraud. The complete lack of accountability and oversight of so much money is mind boggling and infuriating.
I don't understand these bitter people who don't want anyone else to have anything better in their lives. Well done paying off your debt, perhaps you did it in times when it was easier to pay off the loan, so is it fair that people have to pay off the loan in worse times still? The fairness argument is completely flawed.
I have a huge mortgage. If everyone else had their mortgages forgiven, I wouldn't piss and moan on the internet, I'd be happy for my fellow humans that their lives got better.
If you want more 'fairness' in the world, maybe start working in a homeless shelter, or volunteer in mental health services.
It harms the banks, which harms rich people, which harms politicians because rich people threaten.. er, lobby them concerning campaign donations, SCOTUS has shown repeatedly in the last 2 years that they're firmly in the pocket of a certain political party with rulings which enable them so they wine and dine Clarence Thomas and the rest (Google "Clarence Thomas corruption")
If you think any of this has to do with how your life might improve you've not been paying attention.
Aside from the "it's not fair" argument (which IS a fair argument), my reason for being against debt forgiveness is that it hurts everyone, especially future generations.
The cost of colleges has exploded at least in part due to the federal government subsidizing the cost. If a thing costs $10, and the government promises to pay for $5 of it, then without price controls that thing tends to increase to costing $15.
Now if we have a federal government that has opened the door to paying off thousands of dollars in loans? Schools are going to get massively more expensive.
Not only does it not fix the problem, it is actively making the problem worse for future generations.
I think there's also some merit to the idea that people with college degrees are generally more well-off than those without. Being "poor" because you make six figures but have a lot of debt is a VERY different situation than being poor because you just don't have any money. I think the money allocated to paying off student loans could go to people who need it much more. Like people who never even had the opportunity to go to college.
The whole concept is a very "fuck you, I got mine" idea, something we millennials have always criticized boomers for. But now we're doing it, in a big way.
In fact, in contrast to not harming people, it actually has the potential for a great boost in economic activity. Giving money/erasing debt for low income/middle income people tends to result in local spending. These people don’t hoard wealth like occurs when you give rich people or corporations tax cuts.
This is the only way I could get behind it: as a form of stimulus. But we don't NEED stimulus right now. The economy is doing great, inflation aside, and stimulus would only make inflation worse.
Yeah, but if you give things to the peons they start expecting to live a better life... and if they have better lives how can we look down on them and feel better about how superior we are?
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