Would it be a good idea to import all posts from /r/warframe into dormi.zone? (maybe using the linked scripts)
There is lots of useful information in old reddit posts and they are pretty consistently among the top google results for various Warframe-related searches
Yes 100%. Need to do it ASAP before API pricing kicks in. Also, the sub needs to be set to RESTRICTED and have posts redirecting to here. Redditors still don't know where to go, that this site even exists, etc.
Having something like a 'WarframeArchive' community here which was just a copy of the subreddit would go a long way towards making this less of a painful migration if that is indeed the plan.
A good reddit alternative is needed at this point, but losing the information on the subreddit would be a massive blow to the accessibility of the game. Could that information be remade, sure. But that would still mean losing years and years of game history. While things like old redtexts and thoughts about the removal of coptering is not really relevant to the game anymore, it is still part of the history and seeing things like that lost to the mists of time is just depressing.
There are alternatives, but those are pretty much:
Make the sub read only and direct over to lemmy - if you want to affect reddit in any way is suboptimal as a lot of traffic would still go there. It would also most likely lock all of that content to the subreddit once the api changes are in effect.
Open the subreddit again - This would most likely just kill the lemmy community in it's infancy since the vast majority would just go back to posting there
Try to use cached versions of the subreddit - This is the worst option in my mind and the one we are currently stuck with. There is no guarantee these will remain up for any prolonged period of time. And even if they are it is a clunky way to find the information you want and as much as it pains me to say it, too advanced for many.
For these reasons I believe we as a community need somewhere else to find the information stored on r/warframe and the script linked in the main post seems like a good way to do that, but the caveat is that it has to happen before the api changes go into effect. This puts us on a two week deadline and with the subreddit set to private there is no way for anyone aside from the mods to actually do this. Once the information is off reddit that should be the time to ask what to do with it, but first that data has to be obtained while we still have the chance. For that reason I implore anyone with access to the subreddit to archive it now while we still can, or to open up access to someone who will. Once July 1st rolls around that will all become infinitely harder to do.
I'd very much prefer if all of those old Reddit posts were preserved for posterity. If nothing else, I like to go back and re-read my old posts, and now half of those are gone...
r/Warframe links here, it's how I found it. You've managed to organically come up with a bad take.
I don't use r/Warframe for the "Community" and I'll bet a large majority of the "Community" members are like me, they used it for the knowledge base. If the same amount of information isn't here, as it was on the subreddit then as soon as a Warframe alternative takes off on reddit again, that's where I'll probably go. More information, more users.
I made this account to suss out what kind of stuff I can find here, It's nice to have so many conversations starting with 12 responses that are essentially filler conversation. Who knows, maybe organically in a few years time, the information here will catch up but if an alternative with more information comes along I'll move there and never even think of whatever Dormi.zone is hosted on again.
I'm not saying you need to copy the information over, but that information is valuable. Whoever is currently in control of the Subreddit and it must be someone here, needs to set it so no new posts can come but people can still access the unbelievable wealth of knowledge that has accumulated over there. Denying people access to it isn't punishing reddit or whoever spez is, and it's certainly not helping whoever is losing access to the apps, If anything it brings more awareness to Dormi.Zone if done correctly.
In the linked comment from @baconboyloiter is a perfect example of how it affects the general Warframe playerbase. The Warframe knowledge base is way too much for anyone to take this seriously, until it's got it's own base to work from, that will take time but your general user is not going to care to contribute to an unproven source. Unfortunately, the blackout doesn't make me dislike reddit, it makes me dislike people who make these choices that are essentially hurting everyone.
I found out about the blackout because of r/Warframe, I have no hat in the race, so I'm not angry or bothered by what ever is happening with reddit and the apps, I am however annoyed someone took the ball home because they were upset.
We're currently discussing internally on how to proceed with the subreddit. No matter what happens, the knowledge base on r/Warframe will not be lost forever.
That's good, and great for whatever decision you all come to, but how many mods are their making this decision? How long is it going to take? The decision and time being taken by a few will affect the warframe hobby of many, for what accounts to "We don't want you to support reddit, so you can't!"
I'm all for the new platform, and I'll try contribute and help my fellow Tenno, but a big part of that right now is advocating getting access to the information that people will want. The weekend is almost here, and more people will be online, I'm sure I'm not the only one upset by the actions of the Warframe reddit mod team. I think you'd find people are okay with the change, as long as it doesn't hurt their time.
That's the issue though, a lot of our daily content is various general questions of how warframes work, and if their build is ok. The information is accessible via wayback machine as well as adding cache: to the beginning of the URL. Additionally, users who dont have links can help by requesting the particular guide or resource that they are looking for so that we as a community can salvage, and the ones that aren't exactly bookmarked by many can still be retrieved as the most active mods do also have a hand in curating the dormi.zone.
That's still a bad take, you're asking the user to excuse your decisions. I assume you were a mod on the subreddit, do you still have access to all that information? If so, what makes you and the mod team behind the scenes the ones who decides gets access to it.
It's hard to root for the side playing keep away. I know I posted on the subreddit, under the assumption people would have access to that information when they needed it.
Also, what happens if the team behind Lemmy do something you don't agree with, will all the information here also be taken from the end user because you don't agree with it?
Again, I have no stake in the Reddit fight, i couldnt care where I go to talk about warframe or on what website. I exclusively used reddit for Warframe, having that taken away wasn't Reddit, it was the moderation team.
I'm just here to add my voice to the conversation and say that I agree with everything you're saying. The WF reddit being full of info built up over many, many years is no small thing. Many, many google searches will lead to dead ends if it remains private forever. If the entire team that ran it want to nuke it and never make it accessible again, I will be unhappy about losing it, but that's their choice as the owners of the subreddit
However, I am of the belief that owners of any kind of online database or platform that is/was accessed by thousands to millions of people have an ethical responsibility to preserve that data for posterity. This is an issue far bigger than just our little gaming sphere, but the morality of the issue still stands here as it does anywhere else on the internet
However, I am of the belief that owners of any kind of online database or platform that is/was accessed by thousands to millions of people have an ethical responsibility to preserve that data for posterity.
I don't agree with this belief, for multiple reasons:
There's no way to enforce this responsibility.
Preserve that data for how long? Any finite duration will eventually have been too short.
The platform does not own the copyright of the data uploaded to it. Redistributing it can open the platform up to all sorts of legal trouble.
In my opinion, if you find something you want to be preserved, you should not delegate that responsibility to someone else, but rather make a local copy yourself.
This is why it's a moral/ethical issue, as it relies on individuals taking personal responsibility. Nobody can be forced into anything. I support the blackout as I don't support what Reddit is doing with the APIs, but what you as moderators of the community have done is essentially wield your power to make a decision for others. They had no say in the matter. You indisputably have the power do that, but is it the right thing to do? Does your disagreement with a platform give you the right to restrict access to a previously public database? With power comes responsibility, yadda yadda. I can't make you take responsibility, and you can't make everyone agree with your actions. It could be argued that if you wanted to leave Reddit, you should have handed moderation over to people who were happy to stay and deal with the API changes. Then people would have been free to make their own choice on whether they also wanted to leave Reddit and come here, or stay on Reddit (and I think people who are against the strike will very quickly realise what a shitshow Reddit becomes without APIs to assist moderation). But what's happened now is that you exercised personal ownership over something that many other users will feel also belonged to them. Contentious issue
However, strikes have to be disruptive to make their point and force change, which is why I support the blackout. I'm aware that making the sub read-only still lets Reddit receive traffic, but it's the only compromise. If you make the sub read-only, I'm more than happy to contribute here by moving across any important info I think should be shared
Honestly, even if the law's on Reddit's side in that I want to see that. I want to see Reddit burn more good-will telling their userbase 'we own whatever you say on our platform' which could easily be interpreted as the corporation saying 'we own you'.
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