abbadon420,

The same goes for eu food labels.

It makes sense though. Say you claim there’s 10g per 100g of something in your product. Any random scoop of 100g is not always equal. The 20% range means that any random scoop of 100grams must contain between 12 and 8 grams of something.

Due to personell shortages, this will obviously not be tested enough. But ideally it is and when an average of a dundred tests comes out at something other that 10grams per 100 gram, than they’ll have to change it. I gues… I’m don’t know the procedures.

…europa.eu/…/3eb7952a-43b8-4c6a-8091-349ea707a9a7…

(Tolerancetable on page 7)

Here’s an the eu regulation on food labels. Vitamins and minerals even have a lowerbound of 50 % and an upperboud of 35% and 45% respectively.

Swedneck,
@Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Somehow “8 or 12” sounds a lot better than “20% variance”

athairmor,

If you’re so nutritionally conscious as to track macros, why are you eating processed food?

Screamium,

“No one is allowed a cookie if they track macros!” >:0

athairmor,

I mean, just eat the occasional cookie. Don’t worry about the macros in it. Tracking macros is never going to be precise but you can get a general idea if you’re getting the right amounts. But, if you’re getting most or a lot of your nutrition from processed food, you’re probably tracking the wrong thing.

Screamium,

I get it, just exaggerating to point out that no one is perfect and has time to make all their own food

Tikiporch,

Unless it’s meat from a butcher or produce, it has a nutritional label.

BearOfaTime,

And this is another reason why avoiding packaged food is best.

qjkxbmwvz,

Well, that’s kinda besides the point right? The composition of “natural” food has huge variation. There is no “nutritional content of a banana.” There’s the nutritional content of this banana, of that banana, of an unripe banana, of a ripe banana, of an overripe banana…but these can be hugely different. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8266066/

lightnsfw,

Yea I love when my food rots 3 days after I purchase it.

lugal,

Statistically, it will average out, unless they use the margin to actively use cheaper ingredients

pennomi,

I think we all know that if the numbers can be fudged they will be.

lugal,

I don’t know if people look that closely at the nutritional values that it if worth it to manipulate them for advertising. I think the bigger effect is that they don’t have to quality check that hard and can have a little more of this or that. Producing consistently is hard. But maybe it’s a little bit of both.

li10,

There are these chicken bites that advertise “high in protein!” on the pack, then you look and see it’s 9 grams…

Like, how do you make chicken bites have only 9 grams of protein??

They’re actively trying to remove protein from the chicken to make it that low.

snooggums,
@snooggums@midwest.social avatar

Moat likely it is either breading or fillers that means there is less chicken than youbwould expect.

marcos,

breading

Well, you won’t get that number by using a wheat-based filling either.

Ironfacebuster,

I haven’t seen a moat in at least the past 100 years, so I’d say no, moat not likely.

Mog_fanatic,

I haven’t seen a moat in at least the last 100 years

This is a you problem pal. I personally have a moat defense system installed around my home and also around each individual room within the home with draw bridges for isolation in case of emergency. Safety is just common sense.

sylver_dragon,

What is the serving size?
Without knowing that, it’s impossible to make a judgment about how “high” the protein is.

penquin,

Easy, 5% chicken and the 95% is bread and other garbage. There is “chicken” in there somewhere

lightnsfw,

It’s probably ground up tendons and shit. Technically chicken but not protein.

grrgyle,

You’d be better off with falafel bites at that rate

superfes,

TIL that there’s an allowed 20% margin of error in accuracy per the FDA.

That seems way bigger than it needs to be …

qjkxbmwvz,

For highly processed foods, I agree.

But for relatively unprocessed foods, seems completely reasonable to me at first glance. The relative sugar content of, say, an apple, is dependent on all sorts of parameters (sun, water, soil…). The gluten content of wheat, iron content of vegetables, all of these things are variable. The more “natural” a food is, the higher the variability (as opposed to, say, artificial candy — that should be pretty uniform).

underwire212,

Why doesn’t the FDA require companies to put a range instead of an exact number then?

snooggums,
@snooggums@midwest.social avatar

Actual reason? Not sure because I wasn’t around for the comment period.

Likely reason? People are terrible at making decisions based on ranges or anything more complex than a single number. They aren’t even that good at a single number.

Since mixed things like trail mix can have some variety in ratio from bag to bag, going with an average and some variance means having some kind of flexibility. Then there are vegetables and other plants that can vary wildly too.

But what about something like gummy bears where the whole thing is very consistent? Can’t have different rules for different foods, because companies will tie the whole thing up in court.

So the end result is a rule that allows flexibility for the things that actually need it that is also applied to everything else for simplicity.

Cornelius_Wangenheim,

Fun fact: the FDA also has limits on how many rodent hairs, insect parts, mold and so forth can be in food. The limit is not zero.

superfes,

I already knew this stuff, the idea that everything needs to be bleached clean is stupid, even when it comes to food.

TrickDacy,

And that limit wouldn’t be possible to be zero. We don’t live in a sterile vacuum so I’m good with it

Viking_Hippie,

We don’t live in a sterile vacuum

Speak for yourself, buddy!

WhiskyTangoFoxtrot,
eatCasserole,

We can’t even measure calories accurately, never mind predicting how much your specific body will actually absorb. Maybe we could be more accurate with vitamins and stuff, but I dunno.

FluorideMind,

What? Calorie is a perfectly accurate method of measurement. Just because your body might absorb more or less than the next person doesn’t change the amount of calories in a food.

Neato,
@Neato@ttrpg.network avatar

Measuring calories in food is not accurate. Measuring calories by burning fuel is, but that’s not how we use food.

Sethayy,

Lmao so measuring calories in food isn’t accurate cause you don’t consider it food when measured?

That’s gotta be the funniest counter argument I’ve ever heard

southsamurai,
@southsamurai@sh.itjust.works avatar

Nah, that’s the funniest attempt at dissing someone that said something you don’t understand I’ve ever seen.

Calorimeters do a specific job. That job is not the same as digestion and metabolism. Not all foods “give up” calories in the same way, and no foods do so in the same way as inside a calorimeter.

Measured calories via calorimeter are indeed accurate with exactly what they measure, i.e. The exact food that is placed into them.

What a calorimeter can’t do is guarantee that everything put into it is the same.

The more complex the substance is, the more variation there will be between measurements of different batches of that substance. Something like refined sugar is going to give the same results reliably because there’s just not that much variation. Same with refined fats and proteins. Once you get simple enough, the results vary by so little as the be meaningless.

Put two bananas in the same machine, the variance will be greater than that of simpler materials. Is that variance enough to matter on a practical level? Not usually, but it can be.

But, that variance is still there, and the range of possibilities is enough to be significant when calculating what you might slap on a nutritional level of a given food.

Hence, the results aren’t accurate in the sense that they can be reproduced in a precise way. There’s just too much natural variance in foods, even carefully prepared foods.

blandfordforever,

I think he’s saying that you can measure how much energy the food contains but not how much energy each individual will successfully absorb and metabolize.

joyjoy,

The only way to get an accurate reading on calorie count is to burn it. 1 kilocalorie (nutritional calorie) can increase the temperature of 1kg of water by 1 C°

gibmiser,

Sure, but that is measuring calorie content, not what your body can absorb

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