I hope that the property market collapses and property prices go way down. Surely there are large numbers of people who would like to buy property but cannot afford it at the moment. I hope that happens in many countries.
I mean, that sector is also a huge employer with lots of construction companies and jobs tied directly and indirectly to it. If the construction section comes down, that’s going to cause a lot of hardship on a lot of people. So even with cheaper houses (for a while, if the construction sector doesn’t improve you’ll get high prices again later) I’d say it’s a huge net negative for people and their lives.
I don’t know if you are using the word differently but property market includes stuff like construction companies, development companies, architect companies, material suppliers, engineering companies and stuff like that. Building a house seems fairly productive, for example.
Taking payment in advance before building a house and buying a yaught, then having no budget to build the house so you take payment for another house and use that money to build the first house
Unfortunately all of that is included in that sector. So while that is shit and wouldn’t mind them being punished, there’s also all the other jobs and economic considerations. A lot of workers are working directly or indirectly within that sector.
No all of that is included because Evergrande is a ponzi scheme. They can undercut their competition by selling houses for such a low price that they can’t build them.
So they run on people pouring more and more money in and putting more and more projects on hold. That’s a ponzi scheme.
Building houses doesn’t have to be a ponzi scheme. Evergrande is.
Evergrande operates in the same sector and is a big player there. I won’t shed a tear for them. What I’m saying is that hopefully them going down won’t take anyone else with them and cause havoc on the whole sector.
It will because now there will be a mass sale. Also China’s only means of investment being houses instead of the stock market did help Evergrande pump up their bubble quite a bit.
The Evergrande director will take his golden parachute, many poorer Chinese people will be left scammed, with nothing.
I don’t understand. You think that if the United States stops bailing out mega corporations and starts to enforce laws on white collar crime, that we will also lose civil rights?
Or maybe you’re trying to say that while the US has many faults, at least it’s not as bad as China. That is of course true, for some of the people some of the time, but certainly not all of the people all the time.
You know the majority of the world has the same if not more rights than you. Take Canada, I can go to any hospital without worrying if I will become bankrupt. I can own the majority of firearms this world has to offer and if I get pulled over, the police can not legally rob me because the money I have on hand isn’t drug money unless there is difinitive proof that it is.
What the previous comment to yours was criticising the US govt. I didn’t move any goal posts was just pointing out that your freedoms is to do what your are told. Not much difference from China tbh
The United States has the largest known prison population in the world, it has 5% of the world’s population, and 20% of the world’s incarcerated persons. China, with four times more inhabitants, has less persons in prison.
As in previous years, execution totals do not include the estimated thousands of executions carried out by the world’s leading executioner, China, where execution data is considered a state secret; …
How do you recover that? How the hell are they going to recover what is essentially multiple time the sum of the wealth of all the top 10 richest individuals on earth???
multiple time the sum of the wealth of all the top 10 richest individuals on earth???
Do you mean the $78B fine or the $300B debt?
In either case, you’re way over exaggerating. All of the top 14 wealthiest people have over $100B each. Jeff Bezos (#2 richest) has close to $200B alone.
In theory, but if he tried to liquidate all of his Amazon stock at once it’s very unlikely he would get that much for it. The price of the stock would crash.
except in theory they can borrow from the bank with their stock as leverage and would never actually need to liquidate anything (and they do just that).
Yep. This fucking loophole in the American tax system.
You borrow against your existing wealth, then the cost basis of your investments resets upon inheritance. So your estate can sell the investment to pay off the debt, and no capital gains tax is ever paid.
Because of this, in America, capital gains tax only applies to the middle class. The rich have a clear and obvious loophole.
I just hope the collapses won’t pull others with them and the whole construction sector. I think the fear of that and the effects rippling to other sectors and to trust in the economy is why bailing out is sometimes done.
yes, it’s a good reminder that capitalism doesn’t actually work and needs to be propped up with bailouts to ensure it doesn’t collapse and gets replaced.
Well China is trying to not bail them out, at least for now. And some others have done it before too. It’s just people fear the risk of doing that, hoping that by bailing them out things won’t be as bad.
I’ve read that they’re trying to lessen the share of the GDP but an uncontrolled crash would still be horrible. Hopefully whatever they do that is avoided.
It is more than that. China significantly invested in infrastructure for a generation, which was generally good. However, China has hit a point where infrastructure investment won’t produce the returns it used to or any at all. China also needs to figure out a way to find municipal governments, which it hasn’t before. China also has to deal with a significant drop in economic growth, something it hasn’t dealt with for a generation.
These are novel problems for the Chinese government.
You would think that multiple fake cities built out of the cheapest materials possible might have been a sign that something was fishy … I mean… How could anyone have known!!!
Edit: Lulz. This is a news community on .ml. Oops. I usually try to stay away from here, but I’ll just YOLO this one out since the replies are already hysterical.
I challenge you to look up any of those “ghost cities” now. Literally all are filling up. People really don’t understand planning and building for the future?
Imagine complaining about the build quality of Chinese apartments when your reference point is… American ones.
No sheathing, drywall on inner walls, barely any insulation, plywood only for the minimum necessary to guarantee wind stability… Pot calling the kettle black, really. You can literally run through walls of new builds in the US.
China builds housing for the market. While quality might be high in tier 1, 2 and even tier 3 cities, that’s not going to be as true for tier 4 cities that are designed to absorb the massive rural-to-urban migration of poor farmers… The market doesn’t demand it. You’re kidding yourself if you think even the shoddiest constructed apartment isn’t better than the average rural home which not only lacks building codes but lacks modern materials.
Their stock market, maybe. There is a reason this company imploded and it was because of their investor market, not real demand. Those ghost cities were the product of an investment housing market gone wild. Right now, it’s the same failure mode, regardless of the country.
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Corporate media paint China in the worst possible light they can get away with, because this is a cold war in which propaganda is a major component, just like last time. They absolutely do not want you to notice anything that makes capitalism look worse by comparison. Plus they get flak and lose access to sources if they don’t.
There was enough pent up demand in the Chinese property market to fill these cities, but the national government saw overall demand would fall as early as 2021 when it started restricting some types of construction projects, like some skyscrapers and subway lines. You are also seeing some provinces adding in perks for buying property, like hokou registration.
It seems like China has mostly cought up to a lot of its demand for urban residential property. This is a problem as most municipalities and provinces have relied on property development as a way to fund local services.
The Chinese property crisis may end up being on post with the American mortgage crisis in 2007-2008. However, the Chinese crisis will look very different compared to the American one.
China paints China in the worst possible light, actually. Hell, even their mass produced fake electronics paint a grim picture at the micro level of how that country operates.
That’s also hysterical that you are bitching about western propaganda, when China is the undisputed king of bulk fake news.
You sound like one of these shills, actually. You didn’t post anything useful, but rather, just regurgitated some random poor-China schtick.
Hell, even their mass produced fake electronics paint a grim picture at the micro level of how that country operates.
Where do most iPhones and other smartphones and laptops come from? What country has more high speed rail trackage than every other country combined? Yes, they will also output cheap crap if companies are willing to sell them.
That’s also hysterical that you are removed about western propaganda, when China is the undisputed king of bulk fake news.
Where to start…
A KGB spy and a CIA agent meet up in a bar for a friendly drink.
“I have to admit, I’m always so impressed by Soviet propaganda. You really know how to get people worked up,” the CIA agent says.
“Thank you,” the KGB says. “We do our best but truly, it’s nothing compared to American propaganda. Your people believe everything your state media tells them.”
The CIA agent drops his drink in shock and disgust. "Thank you friend, but you must be confused… There’s no propaganda in America."
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Below is a copypasta of my own comment last week, in response to someone’s weapons-grade gish gallop: “I’m pretty sure the Tiananmen square massacre was a bigger crime. Not to mention their genocide of the Uighur people, their oppression of Hong Kong, their attempts to steal Taiwan’s sovereignty.”
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