While I kinda sympathise, I won't be filing a complaint. I want Youtube to become so shit that even the average user will start looking for alternatives. I want ads plastered everywhere on that site and adblockers to fail miserably at blocking them. I want the average user to be so bothered by the ads that when they stumble upon an alternative they try and convince people to switch. I want content creators to be so bothered by it that they make videos promoting the use of another service.
Make this a competition for alternatives. Don't make it easy for users to stay on Youtube.
Since every person can become a piece of shit, it is useless to constantly change services, so only rules can teach us to live differently from other beasts.
I’m sure content creators will be pissed that more ads are served on their videos haha. Oh no! More money! Whatever will they do? The conversation about ads has two sides where consumers are on one and content creators and youtube are on the other.
While I’d absolutely love for there to be a youtube alternative, they have a pretty much complete monopoly on online video distribution. Hosting all that data is expensive so competitors would need some serious financial backing which would likely put the competitor service in the hands of a large corporation.
The problem I see, is that it wouldn’t actually be more money for the creators despite there being more ads as the user base actually seeing the ads is reduced and the difference has to be made up in volume.
I guess that’s fair. There’s a critical point where that happens though. Even if they doubled the amount of ads right now, I bet they wouldn’t lose too many people because there aren’t any real competitor platforms. The amount of youtube ads right now is still significantly less than the equivalent watch time of cable channels, for example. You can watch 20 mins of content and sit through maybe 3 5 second skippable ads, and 3 20 second ads or something? Still significantly less than tv where you have 15 mins of ads every hour.
two sides where consumers are on one and content creators and youtube are on the other.
Youtube and content creators are not on the same side. This woefully reduces a complex problem with many different actors down to a Right Side and a Wrong Side, and anyone whose not on My Side, must be on the Wrong Side.
I’m talking about purely in terms of ads on the video. Both youtube and content creators want as as much ad revenue as possible but not to the point where they lose viewership because of the quantity of ads. I’m not saying content creators are in the wrong, I’m just saying that they get paid based on ads, so of course they want more revenue. It’s just an analysis of the relationship, I’m not pointing blame towards anyone.
Cool, so YouTube will start putting pop ups that require you to consent to the detection in order to watch videos. That’s what everyone did with the whole cookies thing when that was determined to be illegal without consent.
At the bottom of the uBlock Origin homepage there’s links to the most popular list homepages which would be a good starting point.
The Peter Lowe’s ad tracking list links to its own Patreon: www.patreon.com/blocklist (Confirm by clicking on the link at the uBlock Origin homepage, then at the top click on patreon).
The other ones I couldn’t find any obvious way to donate to the list maintainers.
that would be illegal too, because that information is not strictly necessary for their service - they could only opt to not provide the service in the eu
There are multiple French websites that do this. It is legal (otherwise these websites would not do this anymore, it’s been a while).
There is a popup asking you if you consent to get cookies (for advertisement). If you say “no”, it leads you to another popup with two choices :
Same in Germany and Switzerland. I just close the site immediately when I see this kind of blackmailing. Or use 12ft.io if I absolutely want to read the article.
Webedia is a big company that owns most of the famous French websites (jeuxvideo.com , etc.). All these websites have cookie walls with an alternative : a paid subsription. What they say, is that the website is now accessible with subscription only. However, if you accept cookies, you’ll get a discount (free access).
The CNIL (a big French governemental entity) tried to forbid this. If someone reports a website, it’s for this entity to take action. There is no need to report Webedia, the CNIL knows already :-)
The Conseil d’Etat (juridical entity of the French gov) said that “non”, it’s OK for Webedia to use such paywalls. The CNIL can’t forbid Webedia to use them.
The CNIL asked the jusrists at the European level… here we are. We still don’t know.
I don’t agree. They can reasonably argue that advertising is a requirement of their business model, so it is necessary to advertise. Therefore it is necessary for them to block access to those blocking advertising. The directive cited isn’t intended to make advertiser supported services effectively illegal in the EU. That would be a massive own goal. It’s intended to make deceptive and unnecessary data collection illegal. Nothing YouTube is doing is deceptive. They’re being very clear about their intention to advertise to non-subscribers.
A lot of the cookie notifications can’t collect data until you accept them (or follow their annoying “opt-out” workflow). If you install UBlock Origin and go to its settings > ‘Filter lists’ and enable the “EasyList - Cookie Notices” you can block a lot of cookies. If they can never nag you and you never opt in, assuming they’re following the law, you shouldn’t be tracked.
Except that EU court rulings don’t count in countries that stupidly left, no matter when they happened.
You could pass a similar law yourself, but that’s probably not going to happen with either the abysmal Tories or the feckless centrist party Keir “I want to be Tony Blair” Starmer has turned Labour into in charge 😮💨
Nearly all EU rulings up until the UK left in 2019 are a part of British law. If the ruling was before the Brexit referendum then it would definitely count. Specifically with GDPR, the government confirmed that they adopted the EU’s law.
Furthermore, this isn’t a court ruling, it was a written reply from the European Commission, ie the people that wrote the law.
Going to give a heads up that sometimes ublock origin can fall behind because google supposedly updates their anti-adblock BS twice a day. But all you need to do is be patient, give it some time and eventually UBO gets updated. Then you can clear cache and update your filters to block YT’s BS.
I’m happy to report that the vote was postponed because they did not have the votes for the proposal to pass. I know it is not a definitive victory because they will simply try to do it again, but it’s good that they failed once again.
Apart from the Orwellian scale and invasiveness of the whole thing, I also find the automatic inclusion of cops extremely troubling.
In most if not all countries, you don’t have to have done anything wrong in order for any interaction with cops to potentially harmful up to and including the risk of being murdered by them. And they’re just gonna automatically call them on every false positive of a likely extremely flawed algorithm 😬🤬
Allow only essential doesn’t include analytics cookies, allow all includes everything. They should either make it easy with maximum 3 checkboxes but you can still unfold them to precisely manage, or make a button to disable only marketing cookies.
Huh? This is about youtube wanting to make sure you see ads, and people complaining to the EU to make them censure youtube for it. Not sure where you got that EU wants to make sure you see ads.
I didn’t know either, but I figured any option is better, the filings are read by humans after all. Still, as another poster pointed out, the agency is already investigating.
It seems like it worked, the same guy published an update asking people to stop filing the same complaint again and again. The agency is looking into it.
I only just posted a meme about the EU flooring companies for going against their regulations. It was my first post too :)
I’d really like to add YouTube to it. Godspeed. Image
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