mattblaze,
@mattblaze@federate.social avatar

"Grading is so much fun!" is my duress code.

mattblaze,
@mattblaze@federate.social avatar

Currently trying to figure out if I can plausibly stop grading in solidarity with the WGA strike. Grasping at straws here.

SteveBellovin,
@SteveBellovin@mastodon.lawprofs.org avatar

@mattblaze Can ChatGPT assign grades?

jvagle,
@jvagle@mastodon.lawprofs.org avatar

@SteveBellovin @mattblaze For some definitions of “can.”

adamshostack,

@SteveBellovin @mattblaze it declines by default. (I asked if to grade a recent dissent as if it were a law prof). Also I think it lacks training data

SteveBellovin,
@SteveBellovin@mastodon.lawprofs.org avatar

@adamshostack @mattblaze Hey, it passed a sample bar exam in the 90th percentile (https://www.abajournal.com/web/article/latest-version-of-chatgpt-aces-the-bar-exam-with-score-in-90th-percentile). You might just have to say it's for a script of a remake of “Paper Chase" or some such…

huitema,
@huitema@social.secret-wg.org avatar

@SteveBellovin @adamshostack @mattblaze what happened to the good old staircase method?

mattblaze,
@mattblaze@federate.social avatar

@huitema @SteveBellovin @adamshostack Digital tech makes that harder. Last time I threw my laptop on the stairs it broke.

huitema,
@huitema@social.secret-wg.org avatar

@mattblaze @SteveBellovin @adamshostack Showing how out of touch I am. Last time I graded paper was maybe 30 years ago. On the other hand, if you switch to industry, you get a similar problem -- ordering team members on the equivalent of a bell curve every year. Pick your poison...

SteveBellovin,
@SteveBellovin@mastodon.lawprofs.org avatar

@huitema Pick your Poisson (distribution)?
The nice thing about being at Bell Labs and AT&T Labs Research was that I could prosper without being demoted to management.

intothewestaway,

@SteveBellovin @mattblaze

Prof: hey ChatGPT can you mark this paper?

ChatGPT: sure... Wait, I've seen this before

lou,

@SteveBellovin @mattblaze I don't see why CharGPT couldn't assign grades. Whether they would be any good or not was not the question asked.

mrgtwentythree,

@SteveBellovin @mattblaze what appears to be a grade

victoriadecapua,

@mattblaze isn't this the point of graduate school and doctoral candidates.

mattblaze,
@mattblaze@federate.social avatar

@victoriadecapua Not fair to outsource final project grades.

victoriadecapua,

@mattblaze I suppose not. But unfortunately I don't think it's covered under the guild.

RickRussell_CA,

@mattblaze Are you asking how to best support them?

mattblaze,
@mattblaze@federate.social avatar

Now the boss fight part, where I discover that two students are on the roster under completely different names from the ones they submitted their work under, and I have no idea which one is which.

victoriadecapua,

@mattblaze spies.

cazabon,

@mattblaze This sounds like the opening scene in a thriller where the professor starts chasing down increasingly fake identities only to end up targeted by government assassins and eventually saved by aliens.

#WGA

michaelslade,
@michaelslade@mastodon.cloud avatar

@mattblaze Letter grades or numbers but no comments.

DanielRThomas,
@DanielRThomas@social.coop avatar

@mattblaze In the UK there is a marking and assessment boycott over pay at many universities. Doesn't help with your marking though.

FantasticalEconomics,
@FantasticalEconomics@geekdom.social avatar

@mattblaze

Why even grade?

While it's not for every teacher, class, or school, I've found moving away from traditional grading has reduced stress for me and my students. Or also seems to greatly increase the learning of useful material for many of my students by allowing them to focus on what is most important to them.

10/10 would recommend!

http://wvupressonline.com/ungrading

mattblaze,
@mattblaze@federate.social avatar

@FantasticalEconomics Because I don't actually run the university, I don't have the power to do that. And I want my students to be able to do things like, you know, graduate.

FantasticalEconomics,
@FantasticalEconomics@geekdom.social avatar

@mattblaze

I'd look into ungrading a bit more before making that claim. It's not about getting rid of grades, so much as deemphasizing them, and I'm almost certain you have the power to institute it in your classes.

Again, it's not for everyone. But it certainly can help with the end of semester grading blues!

SteveBellovin,
@SteveBellovin@mastodon.lawprofs.org avatar

@mattblaze I take comfort in the fact that I have now graded my last-ever final exam.

mattblaze,
@mattblaze@federate.social avatar

@SteveBellovin Mazel tov.

adamshostack,

@mattblaze @SteveBellovin congratulations! Did I miss you announcing impending retirement?

SteveBellovin,
@SteveBellovin@mastodon.lawprofs.org avatar

@adamshostack @mattblaze Current, very near-final plans are for me to retire in a year, and teach only a seminar class (with no exams) in the fall.
After that? Writing (mostly legal stuff, though I have two more technical books planned), photography, travel, family stuff, etc.

paul_ipv6,

@SteveBellovin

best of luck with whatever you try next.

adamshostack,

@SteveBellovin @mattblaze again, congratulations!

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