What does a post-piracy world look like?

I believe we’re approaching the final 3-5 years of prevalent piracy for several reasons:

  • Software: The difficulty of cracking and modifying software has significantly increased.
  • Movies and TV Shows: Numerous streaming sites have been shut down or faced legal penalties.
  • Adult Content: New releases are often removed within 1-5 weeks, and many older titles are no longer available on piracy platforms.

Given these trends, what might a post-piracy world entail?

PoliticallyIncorrect, (edited )

Piracy will never die, the one next step the industry goes the two next steps piracy goes. So basically this is a thing of cats and mice, it will never stop, it just goes and goes…

There is no post-piracy world, while the private owned system remains there will be people pirating it.

If private owned economic system never ends ergo piracy never ends also.

Private owned system should end? Idk maybe yes maybe not, we should define what’s the point into ending it or not? If the system still maintain the pyramid scheme going what’s the point of getting rid of it?

LemmyQuest,

Did you read my post?

If you have read my post, you will understand the conclusion that I have reached.

If you wish to validate your own conclusion, you need to address the issues raised here.

bane_killgrind,

But your premise is bad

LemmyQuest,

How so?

Cassa,
@Cassa@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Piracy isn’t just internet sites that you stream shit on. Piracy is DVDs you bought or copied from a friend.

your premise bases itself on a very small timeframe.

(I also have no clue about software piracy getting harder - videogames you mean?)

cmnybo,

There is so much good, open source software that I haven’t had to pirate any software in years.

As far as movies and TV, the piracy won’t stop until the enshittification stops. Usenet and torrents won’t go anywhere.

LemmyQuest,

Open source software offers significant benefits, but there are still many positions that remain unfilled. Specifically, it falls short in areas such as professional software (like AutoCAD) and business management software (such as QuickBooks Desktop and ERP systems).

reallyzen,
@reallyzen@lemmy.ml avatar

There’s a difference here that I describe as “pro” meaning specialized, complex software targeted at big businesses vs individual tools of the trade: Vectorworks is gonna get paid for happily by companies needing support and relying on it for critical output, while your next door young architect will run an outdated, cracked version of AutoCAD because it’s just too expensive - that kid could (and should) run Qcad.

Where I see pirated software surviving is also as a form of legacy support: if you run old hardware (i.e. 32bits), that’s where “pro” software is gonna suck & leave you dry, while torrents are still out there.

In gaming or media, cracking looks like a sport, I feel people just want to have fun blowing restrictions to pieces. It’s heartwarming!

Back to the 'tools of the trade" category, I am happy to pay a moderate price to support a talented dev (Isadora, D::Light) but get understandably annoyed at huge businesses practicing insufferable licensing schemes. I wish people start looking, and using then supporting more alternatives out there - but isn’t photoshop still crack-able because it helps it dominate the market where The Gimp would do if it was the standard?

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Coasting0942,

Torrenting on I2P especially won’t go anywhere. Even if you ban all VPNs/their legal protections

lemmy_nightmare,
@lemmy_nightmare@sh.itjust.works avatar

This is so true regarding software. The FOSS apps present today are good enough with adequate features for daily day users like me - whether on Linux, Windows & especially Android (almost all my apps there are FOSS). I simply haven’t had the need to pirate software for a decade now.

Now games and media, that’s a whole different story. Coming from a third world country, I simply can’t fuel my gaming desires with a weak currency that even great services like steam hardly makes a difference. Therefore - sailing the high seas.

ginerel,
ginerel avatar

No, I don't think it will go like that.

But if piracy would go away, then it would mean we live in a great world:

  • Software: FOSS/Freeware/Donationware software prevails. People want to use this kind of software, and this is the go-to for any appliance. People would be deeply affected if they could not use free (as both in freedom and/or money, as mentioned before) software - gone will be the days of everyone needing Adobe products or MS Office for their professional work, and the year of the Linux desktop would be in the history books.
  • Movies and TV shows: They would be available anywhere, on demand, in any format. Or there would be this website where you would go to and watch whatever you would, without ads. It would kinda be the same with music.
  • p0rn: I don't have enough knowledge in this field, I just go to certain websites when I need. Guess it would be like on the previous point? idk.

As long as those points are not achieved, there will always be a need for piracy, and people will always find new ways to get their content. So far, I do not see us being somewhere even close to that ideal world, so there are plenty of reasons for piracy to exist.

I personally try to pirate things more ethically, for example I try to buy music and games whenever I can, but I know several people that pirate stuff just because they can.

onlinepersona,

Post-piracy? There will only be darkweb piracy that untraceable and unkillable. Everything will be available anonymously through I2P and there will be a jump in its popularity. Every normie will know that in order to download the new blockbuster, all they have to do is install I2P, an eDonkey clone, QBittorent, or Popcorn Time (which will run on I2P’s anonymous torrents).

I pray that they shut down every single clearweb streaming and download website for us to finally all move to the darkweb.

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LemmyQuest,

Did you ever actually use i2p?

It’s very very slow that I don’t think most people can do it.

onlinepersona,

Yeah, and I used it when it was even slower. With a seed-box, it’s fine. Just like in the 2000s when you had to download stuff overnight or wait a week. There are way fewer nodes in I2P than TOR nodes, but if it were to grow in popularity, speed wouldn’t be an issue anymore.

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HopingForBetter,

Woah… I forgot about all that.

Waking up to the latest AAA that was started 36hrs ago at 75.8kb/s.

Of course it dropped to 0.9kb/s frequently, but it still downloaded.

aldalire, (edited )

More brazen crackdown of piracy, DNS-level or maybe even IP-level blocking. Complete overhaul of the infrastructure of the internet to make it more “corporate friendly.”

We got to remember that piracy, whose backbone is the bittorrent peer-to-peer network, exists because the current infrastructure of the internet allows users to open their ports and allow people from all over the world to request media from them. The internet infrastructure is controlled by the government, who is controlled by corporate overlords. As of right now, the government has (imperfectly) worked hard to retain the neutrality of the internet, but we might be losing this battle folks.

I’ve always advocated for i2p (geti2p.net/en/) because it allows us to be more resilient to the current infrastructure, with the added bonus of not needing a VPN to download stuff. It would be lovely to see you all at tracker2.postman.i2p :-) Yeah, speed might be an issue but it’ll get better once there are faster nodes in the network. I2p allows people to participate in the network even when behind a CGNAT and unable to forward their ports, as is the case with a lot of restrictive ISPs.

More detailed tech information to be found : geti2p.net/en/docs/how/tech-intro

LemmyQuest,

I2p is too slow to be useful.

quirzle,
quirzle avatar

Dumb.

LemmyQuest,

And Dumber

Kolanaki,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

To me, the term “post-piracy” means that piracy has taken over and is the norm; not that it’s been abolished. “After piracy has taken over…” I suspect wearing parrots on your shoulder would be much more in vogue.

dandelion,

exactly; there will always be piracy as long as piracy is needed, a post-piracy world is a utopia, even in the worst dystopia people find ways to “pirate”

antlion,
@antlion@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Hahahaha

sheepishly,
sheepishly avatar

Can't wait for the highly dystopic future where we transfer files via smoke signals

MyNamesNotRobert, (edited )

It’ll happen some day. There will eventually be “Illegal” wireless transmitting devices that do things such as transmit data over disallowed frequencies, break the token rate speed limit imposed by the fcc (fuck 56k) and illegally use encryption (using data encryption on amateur radio is illegal). When they do start becoming a thing, they’ll be able to transmit data maybe a few miles at up to a megabyte per second (not 1 megabit), or for dozens of miles at a few kilobytes per second. Depending on whether the designers wanted to prioritize speed or distance.

The technology exists to make such wireless transceivers using off the shelf parts available to normal people, there’s just no reason for them to exist. Yet.

sheepishly,
sheepishly avatar

That actually sounds kinda awesome. Can't wait to torrent the X-Files over websdr or some shit while pretending it's Russian number stations

ArcaneSlime,

*Software: Idk, never really messed with pirating software, that’s how you become part of someone’s botnet.

*Movies and TV shows: Torrents and Usenet.

*Adult Content: Torrents and Usenet.

*Music: Slsk and yt-dlp.

LemmyQuest,

The problem is not their absence from the P2P networks; rather, it’s the lack of seeders that renders them useless.

dsemy,

Usenet isn’t P2P

ArcaneSlime,

He’s right, usenet isn’t p2p, but finding old movies there can be a challenge. Still, I manage just fine for old movies with ipt and tl for the most part, or the rare thing I can only find on soulseek of all places. Archive actually has a bunch too.

cooopsspace,

Honestly my friends ask me tonnes of questions like this, including “what happens when AI takes over”, or “when everything mines your data”.

I don’t think people realise how close me as an IT person is to going and living in an off grid cabin in the woods.

jbloggs777,

Your friends will find you wherever you are and will continue asking you such questions. There is no escape.

cooopsspace,

Doubt.

I could disappear and my friends wouldn’t be able to find me again.

Blackmist,

As somebody who only got back into this recently (thanks Amazon, you sticking ads into Prime gave me the push I needed), it involves a lot of subscriptions and unavailable content.

rufus, (edited )

I think 1) and 2) have already been that way for at least 15 years. Software copy protection used to be very simplistic and is getting improved constantly. Also when I grew up games didn’t yet talk to servers and they do it for quite some time already. Every new physical video format gets a new copy protection mechanism… DVD, BluRay,… now streaming services with DRM… Illegal sites get shut down all the time.

The piracy scene also adapts, changes their methology. I’m pretty sure it’ll continue that way. I asked the same question 10 years ago and yet here we are.

The adult content is getting worse though. But i think mainly for the big and well known commercial streaming sites. Maybe there are still torrents of that around and pirating adult content will get similar to pirating a tv series.

reallyzen,
@reallyzen@lemmy.ml avatar

[??Uh, you’re getting downvoted for asking a straight question? WTF lemmies??]

halm,
@halm@leminal.space avatar

OP’s question is “given the above arbitrary and largely unfounded claims, how would a post-piracy world look?” which is… not straight. It’s not just based on anecdotal premises, it also demands answers that don’t call those into question.

reallyzen,
@reallyzen@lemmy.ml avatar

OP’s premises may be not wrong on the first point, is in need of some realignment on the second, and I have no idea about the third.

The idea of a post-piracy world can still be envisioned and discussed; will it be full of FOSS and CC-BY-SA? Will it leaves us with only secondhand pulp comics while our roku devices blast 23h out of 24 of ads? Who knows?

rufus, (edited )

Sure. But I’d drop the premises for that discussion. A post-privacy world is probably where convenience trumps everything. Everything is commercialized even more. Access to the internet isn’t free any more, options like selfhosting or uploading things are heavily restricted and each and every service requires you to show your ID card into the webcam and give them your phone number. All private is being sold and AI shows you ADs and propaganda like in the old scifi movies.

I mean we’re already half-way there. And I think it’s especially bad that all the people use closed services that require me to dox myself and give them my phone number if I want to participate. It’s just that we still have alternatives. It now needs politics to cut down access to the internet so only the big companies can host platforms and then force them to stop piracy. And cut the free flow of information and connections to other countries with other legislation. Reasons could be to protect intellectual property, stop crime (also like in the old dystopian movies) or “would somebody please think of the children”… These attempts to take away freedom happen regularly in politics. I think a post-privacy world would simultaneously be one without freedom. Either a scifi dystopia, a Cory Doctorow novel or like in the countries where they currently filter the internet successfully, which aren’t democratic countries.

I think I’m far more concerned with the loss of any privacy or freedom in such scenarios. Not being able to pirate things would be a minor inconvenience in such hypothetical worlds.

I strongly doubt that it’ll happen out of the reasons OP gave. They’re all technical in nature. And in the past we were always able to circumvent the technical ones. Countermeasures have also improved. I don’t see a reason why it’s different now. But I think society could change and affect this. And there are anti-democratic things happening currently…

reallyzen,
@reallyzen@lemmy.ml avatar

You wonderfully deviated this conversation towards the real threats we are facing in the near future, and right now. That was very well said, thank you.

halm,
@halm@leminal.space avatar

I think your examples apply only to a specific use case. In particular, for movies and TV shows — illegal streaming sites only account for one part of pirated material. I would assume many more simply download film/TV.

Can’t speak to the others but I’m fairly sure that pirates will find a way to pirate no matter the obstacles.

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