dbzer0 defederation vote

db0 and Unruffled have both been banned for reactionary behavior and, in the case of the former, DM harassment.

Due to these irreconcilable differences we thought it only right to allow the community to weigh in on defederating immediately.

https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/04f02cec-750f-4695-8fdf-8e47c54efddf.png

According to this person “tankie” is anyone that criticizes the privilege of white westerners in the imperial core who have been privileged and comfortable their entire lives off of the backs of colonized people.

Further context can be found in this thread

hexbear.net/post/2484423

As always, use dean-smile to vote for federation and dean-frown to vote for defederation.

mayo_cider,
@mayo_cider@hexbear.net avatar

I thought I was a tankie because I respect Lenin, but the new goal posts still hit home

I’m down to keep explaining but also understand if people are uncomfortable

I voted both ways and now I’ll sit on the fence

Owl,
@Owl@hexbear.net avatar

dean-smile The dbzero0 users have been cool. If the admins are actually a problem, then they’ll escalate or defederate themselves eventually, but in the meantime their cooler users will have more time to decide to jump ship to hexbear. If banning their admins while not defederating them is actually enough to stabilize, and everything works out, then that is extremely funny.

Bisexual_Cookie,
@Bisexual_Cookie@hexbear.net avatar

dean-smile

I haven’t seen much of a problem from any of their users

frippa, (edited )
@frippa@lemmy.ml avatar

Since I’m tankie-adjacent (meaningless term, more lore in the original post) and had to do with the affair I’ll just voice my opinion: I’ve seen many good people coming from that instance, both on hexbear and outside hexbear, some of them even comrades. Punishing them for the actions of their mod team seems a bit too much to me. The offenders have (rightfully) been banned from this instance, and on the rare occasion a wandering lib will post on here we can all PPB them, I’ll join too.

Also, semi-related but I love how just by shitposting on a piracy community I caused an inter-instance diplomatic crisis and had 2 (PoS) admins banned, lol wasn’t my intention but I’m glad they showed their true self, so to say.

Edit: also remaining federated while having the admins banned is such a power move lol, “hate da gubmyent not da paypoohl” but for real this time

EelBolshevikism,

Can’t they just make a hexbear account if they want to post? We aren’t really punishing anyone

frippa, (edited )
@frippa@lemmy.ml avatar

I interact with I don’t even know how many instances, I couldn’t be bothered to make an account for every one of them honestly. If one of them would defederate from mine, I would just stop interacting. I guess it’s the same for the well-meaning users on there too, it’s way easier to have a single account to interact with (almost) any instance. And people are generally lazy, too.

Federation is one of the biggest advantages of lemmy and ActivityPub software IMO. Instances shouldn’t defederate on a whim (considering the admins, who were the libs in this case, have been banned)

BTW my main point was that the vast majority of people interacting from db0 are well-meaning and not brainwormed libs (funnily enough the worst offenders were the admins) I don’t think we should discourage them from participating on hexbear just because their admins are assholes.

Frank,
@Frank@hexbear.net avatar

Also, semi-related but I love how just by shitposting on a piracy community I caused an inter-instance diplomatic crisis and had 2 (PoS) admins banned, lol wasn’t my intention but I’m glad they showed their true self, so to say.

You are. Rolemodel and inspiration to us all.

rat-salute-2

frippa,
@frippa@lemmy.ml avatar

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/8259fed0-90f4-4908-8d8b-77b2997c289b.png

But I mean, the real MVP was the comrade who posted abt it on the dunk tank, it’s only thanks to that post if the 2 admins showed up and emabarsssd themselves, giving us first the massive argument chains and then the DM spam, and after that they got what they deserved. A real shitsow, but in the funny sense.

came_apart_at_Kmart,

dean-smile

the bit idea of staying federated but banning their admins is making me laugh and i support it.

ksynwa_from_lemmygrad,

dean-smile

I think defederation should be avoided unless the instance is really bad, like overtly racist nazis.

ProfessorOwl_PhD,
@ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net avatar

dean-smile Overwhelming majority of their users are fine, so I feel it’s worth just banning the handful of assholes, even if that includes their admins.

ndondo,

Pls dont I like it here

the_itsb,
@the_itsb@hexbear.net avatar

dean-smile

the argument that staying federated with their admins banned is a very good bit won me over

chefs-kiss

SexMachineStalin,
@SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net avatar

Remain federated so the PIGPOOPBALLS continues to flow

Commiejones,
@Commiejones@hexbear.net avatar

dean-malice As long as none of our marginalized users are being harassed extensively. I think its better to expose libs to brain worm poison than it is to defederate.

Blep,

Is the vote actually binding this time? dean-smile

EmmaGoldman,
@EmmaGoldman@hexbear.net avatar

dean-smile It’s so much better to remain federated with just their admins banned.

Nakoichi,
@Nakoichi@hexbear.net avatar

I was one of the initial advocates for defederation and I have changed my position. This is the funniest option.

CyborgMarx,

dean-frown We should be reaching out off site (like Tik Tok) not stuck babysitting a bunch of reddit basement dwellers and spoon feeding them basic ass facts about the world that your typical gen z high schooler figured out years ago

Federation on lemmy is a placebo, there’s a whole world beyond these caves

SpookyGenderCommunist,
@SpookyGenderCommunist@hexbear.net avatar

I’m curious what do you think a Hexbear TikTok presence would look like?

CyborgMarx,

Honestly considering the kind of leftist content that blows up so easily on Tik Tok, just reposting half the memes and content here with our logo and name would see us corner the leftie market on Tik Tok, there’s a goldmine of millions of newly radicalized people on that site and we’re stuck here panning for microscopic gold nuggets in the shit stream that is lemmy

Parsani,
@Parsani@hexbear.net avatar

dean-malice defederate hexbear

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