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@jon you might be interested to learn that some local associations around Breil-sur-Roya are trying to draw attention to some of the insanities around ticketing, although they don't mention not being able to buy Italian tickets at all https://nice-cuneo-ventimiglia.blogspot.com/2024/06/plaidoyer-pour-le-maintien-et-le.html

A representative starts talking about the line half way through this clip https://www.bfmtv.com/cote-d-azur/replay-emissions/bonsoir-cote-d-azur/nice-tende-un-plaidoyer-pour-sauver-la-ligne_VN-202406040750.html

bovine3dom, to random
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Much awaited Deutschlandticket à la française announced: https://www.ecologie.gouv.fr/pass-rail

  • only for 16-26 yos
  • only for TERs and Intercités, no other transport included
  • you have to book a free ticket for each journey you take, even TERs
  • you're only allowed to catch one train from a single station per day (changing trains counts, if you have separate tickets)
  • you're only allowed one ticket per hour per day (!?)
  • €49/mo, July and August only

Not quite as simple as the Deutchslandticket

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jon, to random
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Not #CrossBorderRail today, but a little trip La Ciotat - Marseille - Arles then back along the ligne de la Côte Bleue https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ligne_de_Miramas_%C3%A0_l'Estaque?wprov=sfti1# €25 for 2 people for all TER trains for a day in Bouches-du-Rhône is pretty good

A TGV passes La Ciotat while awaiting the first TER here

bovine3dom,
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@jon I feel a bit rude asking, but do you think it's against the rules to combine two of these pass journées to travel in three departments on a single train ? I know you got told off once for splitting tickets. I'm wondering if the rules might be different for "all you can eat" tickets.

Marseille <-> Nice in a day for two adults is 4*~€40=€160 with four singles or €35+5+20+5=€65 with an 06-83 and a 13 pass journée, so it's a big potential saving.

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Welcome to today's thread - 2024 Extra Days 7 May - La Ciotat - Nice - Ventimiglia - Limone - Breil-sur-Roya - Nice - La Ciotat

Crossing these borders:
Cap d'Ail 🇫🇷 - Monte Carlo 🇲🇨
Monte Carlo Country Club 🇫🇷 - Monte Carlo 🇲🇨
Ventimiglia 🇮🇹 - Menton Garavan 🇫🇷
Olivetta-S. Michele 🇮🇹 - Breil-sur-Roya 🇫🇷
Limone 🇮🇹 - Vievola 🇫🇷

These borders on the borders map:
https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-all-the-borders_935041#10/43.9647/7.5998

Today's routes on the routes map:
https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-extra-days-2024_1030682#9/43.7562/7.0367

bovine3dom,
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@jon the really annoying thing is that soon there will be no SNCF trains running on the line for a year or so because of work on the line going up to Breil from Nice but Trentitalia trains will still be running. But there's no sane way to buy tickets for them...

bovine3dom,
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@jon Last time I looked there was a special section in the local trentitalia rules saying that if you got on at one of the stations in France you were allowed to buy a ticket from the guard, but no details on what tariff you could expect to pay.

I'll try to dig up the PDF

bovine3dom,
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@jon https://www.trenitalia.com/content/dam/tcom/allegati/trenitalia_2014/area_clienti/trasporto-regionale/tariffa-39/Tariffa_39_13_Piemonte.pdf bottom of page 5 here lists the stations in France that you're allowed to board from and buy a ticket from the guard. Maybe the document also explains how much the ticket should cost but my Italian isn't good enough to work out how distances outside of Italy are measured

bovine3dom,
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@mario @jon systematic checks at Menton Garavan coming from Italy, documents of each passenger were checked every time I have been through. I get the impression that there are fewer checks at Breil-sur-Roya coming from Italy, but I only pass through there a couple of times a year.

Migrants anecdotally seem much reduced in number compared to this time last year.

bovine3dom,
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@jon Thanks, that's good to know. Very frustrating that they won't make these things more human friendly. They've already tunnelled through the mountains, selling us tickets should be the easy part

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@jon @wrzlbrnft @partim Vievola isn't served by any French trains, I don't think a ZOU pass would cover your travel to Tende

I know during ski season there is a Limone <-> Tende navette train but I think you have to buy a special ticket for it

bovine3dom,
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@jon by cosmic coincidence the mayor of Breil was on the telly this morning saying that everything will be fine when there are no SNCF trains because there will be buses ... and Italian trains! https://www.bfmtv.com/cote-d-azur/replay-emissions/bonjour-cote-d-azur/fermeture-de-la-ligne-nice-tende-le-maire-de-breil-sur-roya-veut-rassurer_VN-202405070316.html

Is it possible that he just doesn't know how stupid the ticketing situation is?

bovine3dom,
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@michael_h @jon They're doing work on the tunnel between Sospel and L'Escarene. The SNCF is using that as an excuse/opportunity to not run any trains at all and refurbish them. Won't be any TERs running until that's done. September 2024 - December 2025 planned.

Trenitalia trains will still be running. In fact they might run more as they've been planning on running one of their new "touristic" trains on the line, IIRC

bovine3dom,
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@michael_h @jon even fixing the timetables would be great. The first train from Nice gets to Ventimiglia at 06:31 and the first Italian train to Limone leaves Ventimiglia at 06:18. The next one leaves at 10:39...

bovine3dom,
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@jon @michael_h I really get the impression that they view the line as a burden rather than the huge opportunity that it is. A fast direct train from Nice to Limone could be a big hit with skiiers, for example.

Instead we have a line that is so badly maintained that it has (if memory serves) a 10km/h speed limit on sections. Sections that they aren't even going to upgrade during the closure...

The timetable's so bad that when the tickets were free after Tempête Alex the trains were still empty

bovine3dom,
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@quixoticgeek @michael_h @jon yes, but luckily the station in question is Italian so there's a tiny chance that it might get fixed!

bovine3dom,
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@quixoticgeek @michael_h @jon while we're here I'd like to complain about how colossally stupid it is for the signs in France at the station to all say Ventimiglia but for the signs on the trains to all say VINTIMILLE

So many needlessly distressed tourists panicking that maybe they somehow got on the wrong train

bovine3dom,
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@mario @jon I passed through again yesterday and for the first time checks weren't systematic, the police just walked through the train looking at everyone. They didn't ask for papers from anyone in my carriage.

It's possible it was a one-off because it was the F1 weekend and they had been asked not to delay the trains as much as they usually do.

jon, to random
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Ok

How to make sure you get the discount you’re entitled to in SNCF Connect

This needs 2 toots, as there are 6 screenshots!

This assumes you’re logged into SNCF Connect and your reduction cards are listed in your profile

  1. Search for the train you want

  2. It’ll give you the full (wrong) price, so tap the little person icon at the top

  3. This will show you your profile with all reduction cards listed.

‼️ SNCF Connect is so stupid it’ll only apply the first card ‼️

Screen 2 - toot explains
Screen 3 - toot explains

bovine3dom,
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@jon for me, the carte avantage and carte zou (région PACA) work together just fine. I have loads of other complaints about SNCF Connect but this isn't one of them.

It's even pretty good at working out which discounts/tariffs to use if I have multiple travellers with multiple cards (PACA does cheap group tickets).

My test journey is Nice <-> Paris via TER to Marseille then TGV inOui. It uses the Zou discount for the TER and the Carte Avantage for the TGV.

bovine3dom,
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@jon yes, sorry, I thought that went without saying. I was/am trying to understand how the hell they made it work for some combinations of cards but not others

Their system isn't just "only use the first card", it's "only use the first card as a fallback with some crazy opaque conditions if the average daily chance of precipitation is above x%, otherwise check all cards"

jon, to random
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Trainline dude saying they’re trying to solve the complex problems

Bordeaux-San Sebastián? 🤔

https://jonworth.eu/simple-international-trips-and-the-failures-of-ticket-booking-platforms/

bovine3dom,
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@jon about five years ago I had a fascinating conversation about forecasting train delays with someone from Trainline at a programming conference, so five years ago at least one guy was trying to solve a hard problem.

Your problem is much easier IMO:

  1. run a job looking for routes where the route by car is ~5 times quicker
  2. tell a human to Google those routes and then phone up whichever transport operator is running the real routes and badger them to integrate with you
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I've got too many blog posts in "drafts" and not enough in "scheduled".

But I hate all my drafts.

So, dear FediFriends, what would you like me to blog about?

bovine3dom,
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@Edent I'd love a retrospective on the NHS COVID App. It must have been a crazy time. Was picking the Isle of Wight a conscious Day of the Triffids reference or was it just a happy coincidence?

jon, to random
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Welcome to the extra day 05 thread

Here’s today’s intro video

And I’m off on my bike to the venue of European Passengers’ Federation Conference

https://urbanists.video/w/8wEA7jKoWDP2v8ehgyFGUZ

bovine3dom,
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@jon I once overheard an SNCF staff member tell an irate customer (train delayed by an hour, very little information given) that next time she should fly to Paris rather than take the TGV...

And today in Nice, at the ticket office, about 1/3 of tourists were angrily turned away by staff after queuing for 30 minutes because they needed TGV not TER tickets.

I won't be surprised if we get a third set of offices/machines when Marseille->Nice is taken away from the SNCF in 2025

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