EatBorekYouWreck

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EatBorekYouWreck,

Abbas is not the leader of Hamas. I actually really appreciate his take on current events. He said he condemns the death of civilians and calls for the release of the kidnapped prisoners.

But keep in mind that Hamas murdered all the Palestinian officials and officers in Gaza back in 2006-2008, they are not so friendly to each other.

EatBorekYouWreck,

They did give it back in 2005, 2008 and 2014 but there’s no way to know this time. Israel and the Israeli feel like they’ve been through the most horrible days since the 40’s

EatBorekYouWreck,

Saying Rabin was assassinated by a Zionist is very unfair. Especially since Rabin was one of the biggest Zionist leaders since ever. Yigal Amir (Rabin’s killer) is a Kahanist terrorist. And while self identifying as a Zionist, he probably also opposes most major Zionist leaders across history, from Ben Gurion to Rabin. It’s similar to saying a KKK hate crime was commited by Wstern American patriots.

Anyway after the murder, Israel had made very serious attempts at peace.

  • Hebron treaty
  • Wye and Sharem memorandums
  • Camp David talks
  • Aqaba, the Geneba Initiative
  • Sharem a-Sheikh summit
  • The unilateral disengagement and freeing of Gaza from Israeli occupation
  • Olmert - Abbas talks
  • The Annapolis Conference
  • The 2010 peace talks
  • The 2013-2014 peace talks

Some of those were very extensive and Israel made large concessions in the negotiations. Most of the serious attemts were ended by the Palestinians. There’s a saying in israel “The Palestinians never miss the opportunity to miss an opportunity for peace”. Today the Palestinian Authority (PA) has very little legitimacy within the Palestinian population, and arguably don’t represent the Palestinian people. It’s not cut and dry since there hadn’t been any elections in decades, but the sentiment for Hamas and other Palestinian factions and against the PA is very clear.

EatBorekYouWreck,

Why does it sound fabricated that an attack that killed 1200 civilians targeted civilians?

For me it makes total sense.

EatBorekYouWreck,

You know everything imported to Gaza goes through Israel, right?

EatBorekYouWreck,

All printers in gaza have “Israel” as the region. But not only, basically everything that’s in Gaza is marked in “israel” region. That’s because Egypt almost never open their border crossing with Gaza and doesn’t export anything to Gaza (it had actually just shut down and barred the crossing with concrete slabs today, in order to prevent refugees from escaping).

EatBorekYouWreck,

I’m not sure about your logic here, do you recognize the attack but reject that it was planned with printouts? Do you think the attack of >2000 terrorists was spontaneous?

EatBorekYouWreck,

Oh I’m sorry sir that the volunteers cleaning up the bodies of the 40 babies that were rounded up and murdered and then put on a pile in the middle of the street didn’t wait for a photoshoot. Obviously we have only testimonies of that from officers and volunteers and confirmation from Israeli authorities, since the villages were evacuated as a warzone that no one is premitted to enter. Did you really expect anyone to leave bodies for days until the world media comes to see it?

What I’m trying to say is there’s nothing to spin here. Hamas targeted abused, raped, paraded and kidnapped civilians and children. The massacre was thoroughly planned. It is very reasonable that Israel found a printout of some plan on one of the 1,500 attackers it captured and killed. What is there to benefit from faking such document? Is it not obvious that Hamas targeted civilians and children? What does it add to the table?

EatBorekYouWreck,

Huh? I never said israel paid for anything but using the MIC code will just tell you a serial number and region = israel, no matter which country or private citizen money paid for the printer. That’s not proof of anything.

EatBorekYouWreck,

Why do you think that accusing Hamas of the atrocities it did says something about the Palestinians? Do you not recognize that most Palestinians avoid such violant acts? Holding terrorist organizations accountable for their crimes against humanity says nothing about the Palestinians.

Just like how holding the Russian government for their war crimes and their terror does not de-humenizes russians all around the world and in Russia. That’s a child’s way of seeing things.

EatBorekYouWreck,

Look at the massacre apologist…

You can do many things before joining a terrorist org. Many Gazans prefer to work in Israel instead for example. And even if you did, there’s a very long path from joining for the sake of bettering you status to killing children in their beds as they sleep.

EatBorekYouWreck,

Oh I do, and the Palestinian population living in Israel enjoys the prosperity of israel. From the sentiment of your comments, I feel like you think Israel should somehow provide for the Palestinians in Gaza. But you see, 1. It isn’t obligated to help neighboring countries, and 2. It doesn’t want to. I don’t see Spain providing its neighbor Morroco although it would benefit the Morrocan population. I don’t see the US providing for Mexican border towns, although it may move people away from joining drug cartels (because as you said it, poor people have no choice but join criminal orgs)

EatBorekYouWreck,

I’m sorry if you felt my arguments were in bad faith, and I’m sorry if I got a bot hot headed. I don’t mean to be rude, I am just very hurt after so many friends and family of mine got murdered. Hope you understand

EatBorekYouWreck,

Gaza, is not controlled by the IDF, it is fully free, sovereign, and governed by Hamas. The IDF cannot drive people around, it’s not their territory.

EatBorekYouWreck,

Yes, it’s shin bet’s jurisdiction

EatBorekYouWreck,

This is very unfortunate, I don’t want to lessen the severity of this. But I want to stress that Israel had stated many times in this conflict that Hamas is the sole target of the attacks. I also want to stress the measures that Israel had taken in order to prevent killings of innocent bystanders, from roof-knocking, calling people’s homes, throwing pamphlets from the sky etc. warning people in the area of attack. These measures are not employed anywhere else in the world, not in Ukraine, not in Armenia and most certainly that did not happen last saturday when Hamas attacked Israel. I see all the posts against Israel’s warnings and I just don’t get it. It is supposed to be the responsibility of Hamas as the elected government in Gaza to evacuate people from warzone (just like how Israel had evacuated over a million civilians from around gaza and Lebanon to keep them safe). But since they don’t do that, Israel reveals its war plans and literally tells when and where they plan to attack, in order to keep people safe.

EatBorekYouWreck,

Where do you live?

EatBorekYouWreck,

I want to know how many innocent journalists and human rights activists died by the hands of your country. Or maybe suggest some state that is up to your standards?

EatBorekYouWreck,

Not whataboutism, I just want to show you that your standards are infeasible. In war people die, in warzones there are casualties and bombs falling from the sky, that’s the reallity of it. If journalists or volunteers take the risk and go to a warzone, they are at risk of dying ALWAYS.

Also, don’t lecture me about debate ethics when you refuse to read any of my arguments.

EatBorekYouWreck,

Idk what to tell you, that’s just not their job. Since Palestinian affeirs were considered domestic historically and therefore the Shin Bet handles them. It stayed that way when Israel withdrew from Gaza

EatBorekYouWreck,

How can you know it was garbage if you didn’t read it? How do you prove that these arguments are garbage, other than just saying it is garbage. I agree, more words != more better, but sometimes arguments require more words.

Personal opinion, I think you can’t handle those valid arguments. I think you know no country in the world is up to your standards. And I know that Hamas is certainly not up to your standards.

EatBorekYouWreck,

Your double standards are very apparent. If you want to support the side that murdered children on purpose, go ahead and do so. I prefer the side that tries to lower the number of deaths, and defend their civilians.

EatBorekYouWreck,
EatBorekYouWreck,

What’s so bizarre? You think that people who killed and burned civilians alive while their hands are tied have any simpathy to stop at beheadings?

Also, yeah, WP was probably used in signaling and smokescreen - meaning small quantities as they are present in the American ammunition the IDF uses. You know, many countries use Barium in their tracer ammunition, which is highly toxic. It doesn’t count as chemical warfare tho.

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