DarkGamer,
DarkGamer avatar

Ffs give them everything they need, or it will be your country next.

034521231,

So your theory is that Russia is weak enough for Ukraine to beat, but if they dont beat them russia has enough strength to invade more countries?

Skua,

Georgia and Moldova seem like viable targets for a victorious Russia. Russia borders a lot of countries and plenty of them are neither in NATO nor particularly powerful military forces. Russia also has a track record of fucking with those two specifically. So yes.

034521231,

Why does Russia care about Moldova? They already invaded Georgia and put in a pro russian leadership back when Georgia wanted to be in NATO during younger bush.

Skua, (edited )

I don't know why Russia cares about Moldova other than a broad sphere of influence mentality. I do know that Transnistria is currently held by a Russian-backed paramilitary just like parts of Georgia and that there's a substantial Russian-speaking minority in the country.

Georgia and Russia still have fairly hostile relations. It's also not like invading once puts some kind of restriction on doing it again.

034521231,

Putin is obviously clever, and has held power for a couple decades, you think he is dumb enough to risk it all to take a small country of muldova that has like 2.5 million people? No, that is just warmongers that want to scare the population into funding the war.

Skua,

Putin was prime minister when Russia invaded Georgia, which is similarly-populated and -sized. So why do you think he wouldn't do something he has already done before?

034521231,

In April of 2008 Georgia got semi approval to join NATO, in august Russia invaded to stop that. Its the same reason they invaded Ukraine, russia has actually been very clear that they dont want those countries in nato. The news likes to just tell us the propaganda points, and omits how both of those wars/invasions were preventable if we had not gotten involved .

Skua,

Moldova has EU candidate status. It's already in the same position that Ukraine was when Russia invaded. Not that Russia somehow has any right to decide its neighbours' foreign policies anyway.

034521231,

I dont know if the care about EU status, but they do care about NATO memebership, and that was the reason they invaded the countries they did. I am not saying its good, I am just giving the reason, and I dont think they care about Moldova.

Skua,

They annexed Crimea when Ukraine turned towards the EU over Russia. Maidan wasn't about NATO. But besides that, they care enough to stay involved in Transnistria.

034521231,

Russia claim (probably correctly) that the west overturned the election of the people they liked and so they annexed the part that had their port. For better or worse, all of their invasions were tied to what they saw as aggressive moves by NATO or NATO countries.

Skua, (edited )

This argument might make sense if Russia had returned Crimea after Ukraine held elections instead of saying immediately that "Crimea must be returned to Russia", or if Ukraine hadn't had new elections after Maidan, or if Russia hadn't been backing rebels in Georgia and Moldova since the early 90s, or if there was any actual evidence that Maidan was a Western-backed coup that somehow magically got huge popular support (yes, I have read the Nuland call transcript, no it does not say that Nuland arranged a coup, it is not weird for ambassadors to want to make contact with likely new leaders in a power vacuum), but unfortunately none of those things are true so it doesn't

034521231,

If it was about a land grab, why didnt Russia accept the land of the east provinces that voted overwhelmingly to become part of russia?

Skua,

It did? Russia declared its annexation of the southeast of Ukraine on 30th September 2022

DarkGamer,
DarkGamer avatar

Russia's plans are no secret, Putin has been working from this playbook.

Belarus and Moldova are to become part of Russia, not independent.

034521231,

Thats just neocon bullshit. There is no evidence of this, nor reason to do it.

NoiseColor,

The west should be ashamed for playing with lives like that. We appear weak and without resolve. Damn shame.

rayyy,

The Republican House is handing Putin just what he wants while the world sees America in rapid decline.
Now the so-called Supreme Court is enabling a criminal bu delaying his trial and, possibly, declaring him above the law.

givesomefucks,

Every other non NATO country is watching this…

It’s why we should have just thrown insane money and resources at Ukraine immediately. Shown them all that NATO would have their backs.

Then we’d have others joining NATO all at once, too many fronts for Russia to attack.

After this, they’re gonna be gunshy. And that’s what putin wants so he can go after them one by one.

Infiltrated_ad8271,
Infiltrated_ad8271 avatar

Ukraine has very high corruption, simply throwing money at it is a bad idea.

bluGill,
bluGill avatar

They are fixing that problem. It cam't be done overnight but they are making good progress

034521231,

How do you know?

Tarte,
Tarte avatar

The EU creates an annual report where they specifically tackle this topic.

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/QANDA_23_5631

mellowheat,

Don’t wanna sound harsh, but isn’t the point of NATO that it has the backs of other NATO countries?

givesomefucks,

And Russia has always told non-aligned countries if they try to join them Russia will invade before the process is complete.

Which is literally what is going on.

Which is why the best way to counteract that was codifying that if a country under attack tries to join, their application would be fast tracked.

034521231,

Or that could lead to WW3 and nuclear weapons usage...

debbie,

yes ukraine needs all the help they could get … but you know the west and NATO are trying to play safe not to drag into WW3 i think thats why the slow down happens once in a while

givesomefucks,

Slowing down is making WW3 more likely.

The best way to avoid it was to make a ruling that any nation under attack would have their application expedited and the full weight of NATO thrown behind them.

Half passing opposition didn’t work with Hitler, and it won’t work with Putin.

debbie,

true…

Tarte, (edited )
Tarte avatar

The best way to avoid it was to make a ruling that any nation under attack would have their application expedited and the full weight of NATO thrown behind them.

I like the idea. But Russia invaded Ukraine before the process even started. Just the prospect of Ukraine aligning more with the west (to an uncertain degree) in the near future was enough for Putin to start his war. There was no NATO application of any kind when Russia annexed Crimea and started the war in eastern Ukraine in 2014. There still was no formal NATO application when Russia invaded again in 2022.

2010 Ukraine stopped their accession to the NATO alliance
2013 Ukraine stopped their accession to the EU
2013/14 Euromaidan uprising
2014, February, Russia invades Ukraine (Crimea and eastern Ukraine)
2014, December, Ukraine holds referendum on joining NATO
2019, 7 February, Ukraine parliament votes to work towards joining NATO and the EU
2022, 24 February, Russia starts its full-scale invasion of Ukraine
2022, 30 September, Ukraine formally applies to join NATO

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