I wish there were more articles about tech not tech biz

Just seems like everything is “this company did this to their employees” and less about “this novel messaging protocol offers these measured pros and cons.” Or similar

And yes, I could post things, but I’m referring to what hits the top, 12h.

Can anyone rec communities with less of a biz and politics and wfh vs in-office vibe?

jordanlund,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

There is a “Business” community, ideally the mods should remove any links that are “company a lays off workers” or “Elon Musk is stupid again” and re-direct them to Business, where the business decisions belong.

c0mbatbag3l,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

Not to mention most of the commenters just hate on the technology too, every article about any type of transportation that isn’t trains people just shit on it in the comments. “How is this gonna save the planet?” “Why does this need to exist?”

Hating technology should be its own community.

FireTower,
@FireTower@lemmy.world avatar

I think this is a flaw in the current state of Lemmy. There’s so few posts compared to Reddit that random people will find your 3 upvoted post in all. This leads to people outside of the community dominating the discussion.

You can also see this with other communities. Everytime I see the conservative one in All it’s a non conservative OP being insulted by other non conservatives, because they assumed OP must be a conservative to post there.

There being an anti tech community won’t solve this issue. I think the most accessible solution is moderation.

GBU_28,

Totally agree!

“Here’s some incremental progress that is a possibly interesting technological improvement.”

" Omg it isn’t literally perfect and exactly aligning with my interests. Literal capitalist trash, zero value, no one wants it"

Zima,
Zima avatar

You forgot to call it fascist. That’s a word people with that attitude tend to throw around a lot.

Corgana,
@Corgana@startrek.website avatar

In my experience it’s been quite the opposite. The press release will be “here’s some shiny new big deal” and the comments in this community will point out that it’s not only nothing new, but often actively working against users’ interests.

Like Meta totally joining the Fediverse or Apple ““fully”” adopting RCS despite both those companies having a long history of anti-interoperability practices. There’s a lot of BS that comes out of silicon valley, and there aren’t a lot of good journalists able (or willing) to rightfully understand what’s being said, so they repeat the big claims without proper context.

pedz, (edited )

Quite candidly, it’s not articles selling the spiel of tech bros that is going to help us. I’m one of those commenters and I also wish “Technology” was about technology instead of trying to sell the latest gadgetbahn or a solar road or self driving cars.

EDIT: It’s not technically about “helping us”, but more specifically about the kind of spiel those “articles” are trying to push. It may very well be about technology, but it’s misrepresented as something that could help us and save us in the future while in reality, it’s just marginally interesting, Think about how many articles there has been about bitcoins, NFTs, AI and crap like this, coming from techbros and their simps. That’s why you’ll see the sort of comments you complain about. It certainly is tech, but it’s more like tech they’re trying to hype, misrepresent and sell.

I love tech. I work in IT. But I can also smell BS and will not hesitate to point it out.

c0mbatbag3l,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

AI isn’t anything like NFTs and Bitcoin, it has an actual use case and is being leveraged by a significant number of white collar workers to automate small tasks and take the sifting out of search engines.

Buddahriffic,

But it is like crypto in that a lot of the attention it’s getting thinks it’s something that it isn’t right now. It might be that in the future but AI has a long way to go still.

c0mbatbag3l,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

Crypto never will be anything, that’s the point I’m making.

AI is a tool, a good one. It can’t take your job anymore than the cotton gin took the job of textile workers, but the professional can make plenty of use to help shorten their workdays with it. As it gets integrated into private companies data environments you’ll see more in house models trained on company data that will assist cloud engineers and data engineers in getting things straightened out.

Crypto is a invented currency that was only good for buying drugs and NFT’s are literally a scam.

rglullis,
@rglullis@communick.news avatar

The annoying thing with these reductionist views is that they miss the potential applications.

“JPEGs in the blockchain” is indeed a pointless use case and were so hyped because of greed and a ZIRP world. This doesn’t mean that all applications built on top of NFTs are worthless. For example, one could see a well-thought ticketing system based on NFTs that could destroy Ticketmaster.

Corgana,
@Corgana@startrek.website avatar

Well said. I like how the communities on Lemmy have a lot of tech and FOSS people who are able to recognize (and call out) a repackaged sales pitch. I understand most mainstream publications have to pay the bills, but so many of the “journalists” are just caught up in the hype cycle.

MargotRobbie,
@MargotRobbie@lemmy.world avatar

This is one of the reason that I think the @L4s bot should have retired a while back. !technology already the biggest comm on this platform that it doesn’t need a repost bot from reddit, and having it around inevitably turns this community into a duplicate of r/technology which is more tech business and privacy than it is about interesting tech.

However, you can say that this is also an advantage of Lemmy over reddit, since if you don’t like the content of !technology, you can always use another technology comm like !technology or start your own, instead of making something like r/truetechnology or something like that as on reddit. (This is also the reason why I don’t think community merging is a good idea on the server side.)

pewgar_seemsimandroid,

BSkyB

Jeanschyso,

Most technology news your average layman is interested in is ads for new products and how tech companies turn out to not be so great to work for. I think that’s why most news that appear on top don’t really cover the fun stuff.

throws_lemy, (edited )
@throws_lemy@lemmy.nz avatar

I can post any technology related outside of tech biz but mostly it’s not a popular thing here, many of articles are too technical, hardly any discussion, even worse there are articles that you won’t like it. For example, I can post the good thing about EVs today and another day I can post the downside of EVs battery to environment, and I get the heat.

Posting in niche community? Not enough MAU, I’v tried in c/collapse, c/cybersecurity etc, no discussion.

c/technology is just a mirror of r/technology

thynecaptain,
@thynecaptain@lemmy.world avatar

This is the correct answer. More folks that subscribe here are the ones who interact and upvote the political ones.

HawlSera,

Get rid of Capitalism and it’ll happen

GBU_28,

Yawn.

Exactly what I don’t care about discussing.

assassin_aragorn,

No this would still be an issue. Actual technology is, well, technical. Not a lot of people here would be able to read a direct medical study and then discuss it.

Snapz,

“I wish there were more articles about the shiny emeralds and how valuable they are and not about the dead, exploited children working in the mines”

You see OP, that’s you. ^

Both articles are out there, one is just more important as prevalent topic right now because of the human beings in the mix.

GBU_28,

Nah. Tech biz is not tech.

Both are important, interesting topics.

Darkenfolk, (edited )

With all due respect, fuck the dead children, I came here for the shiny emeralds. If you want awareness for your mining kids you can go to c/deadbabies and cry about it there.

I’m with OP, I came for interesting technologies not all the other bullshit.

L3s, (edited )
@L3s@lemmy.world avatar

Please stop reporting this as “not tech related, rule 2”, we welcome the feedback.

Our stance has been, if it’s in a gray area of “tech” such as tech business related, and users upvote it: that must be what the majority wants.

We will be discussing this more, as it seems some people want strictly tech related content and none of the gray area content.

GBU_28,

Didn’t know how to make a meta post, or similar, thanks

nutsack,

I think users of this website tend to upvote whatever sentences they see which have keywords in them that they think are good.

I agree with op here, and I say forget what the upvotes are saying. they’re nonsense.

rglullis,
@rglullis@communick.news avatar

You are not going to get that at any of the larger communities. We’ll need to grow the niche communities instead, more specific to your interests.

Could you please take a look at fediverser.network to see if gives you anything interesting?

douglasg14b,
@douglasg14b@lemmy.world avatar

It can definitely happen. This is just the result of a lack of quality or subject control.

It degrades to the lowest common denominator. This was seen across reddit, constantly.

It happened on lemmy in record time due to a lack of default outlets for the low quality content.

rglullis,
@rglullis@communick.news avatar

This is just the result of a lack of quality or subject control.

This is just another way of saying “having mods enforcing super strict rules”, which then leads to an ossified culture and a bunch of mods high on their power trip. This was also seen on Reddit and StackOverflow.

Unfortunately, the way to avoid “lowest common denominator” issues that you mention is by going to the places where the denominator is relatively small, but big enough to have network effects in its favor. My experience was that all subreddits between 25k to 500k subscribers worked really well without excessive policing. Between 500k and 1M it could still go by, depending on the moderators. After crossing that mark, things started to deteriorate fast.

If we were to scale that to Lemmy, it means that all communities with a subscriber count >= 1% of the total network will fall into “deteriorate fast” territory.

cosmic_slate,
@cosmic_slate@dmv.social avatar

That’s just not universally true. Hackernews is a probably the best example of a site with strong moderation (going as far as editing user’s post titles) and a fairly interesting set of posts mixing news with cool tech stuff.

You can have strong moderation that works out if mods enforce the rules for the sake of quality content, not for the sake of being an internet hall monitor.

rglullis,
@rglullis@communick.news avatar
  • Editing post titles does not count as quality control, in the same ways that some of reddits have such strict rules to the point that mods delete anything that is not exactly within the lines.
  • HN mods (dang, especifically) don’t care about power trips, because they have actual power
  • HN is not a single-topic community, like a Lemmy group. If you create a /c/technology and say it is a place to post “Anything that good hackers would find interesting”, it would quickly derail into a constant meta-discussion.
cosmic_slate,
@cosmic_slate@dmv.social avatar

Editing post titles does not count as quality control, in the same ways that some of reddits have such strict rules to the point that mods delete anything that is not exactly within the lines.

…huh? It leaves discussion threads intact while fixing titles to be more reflective of the source material or more reflective of updates to an event. How is this not quality control (and, in turn, moderation)?

HN mods (dang, especifically) don’t care about power trips, because they have actual power

Please take a moment to read the comment you’re replying to. See the last statement where I call out “You can have strong moderation that works out if mods enforce the rules for the sake of quality content, not for the sake of being an internet hall monitor.”

HN is not a single-topic community, like a Lemmy group. If you create a /c/technology and say it is a place to post “Anything that good hackers would find interesting”, it would quickly derail into a constant meta-discussion.

The extent of how single-topic a community is depends on the community and moderators. I don’t know what you’re trying to say here.

rglullis,
@rglullis@communick.news avatar

The extent of how single-topic a community is depends on the community and moderators. I don’t know what you’re trying to say here.

The discussion started because OP wants to have “more hard tech” and less “tech biz news”. How do you think you’d enforce that, and how would you avoid splitting the ones that do not agree with that direction?

On HN, it’s easy to avoid splittering the community because there is no “sub-HN”. The ones that are not interested or oppose the guidelines have no other option but to leave.

On Reddit or Lemmy, it’s quite easy to “fork” a community or simply creating another for the more specific niches. So you don’t end up with a single /c/technology, but instead we get a “popular” /c/technology (for the lowest denominator) and the more specific “/c/hard_tech” or “/c/true_tech”.

cosmic_slate,
@cosmic_slate@dmv.social avatar

I agree with your assertion that above a certain size you need strong moderation but disagree that it has to be toxic.

There are two components to being successful at strong moderation: you need mods that are opinionated but work to the benefit of the community (I think dang does a decent job at this) and a community that trusts the moderation.

Comparing HN and Lemmy, HN generally trusts their mods while Lemmy does not. As a result, dang on HN can prune low-effort threads and it doesn’t cause much of an uproar, but doing this on Lemmy would probably be much more difficult.

As far as enforcement, I’d just remove the fluff threads that get the same, repeated 5-6 comments. We already know everyone’s opinion about Elon Musk, the potential perils of AI, and the occasional string of threads over 2-3 weeks when $bigtechnologycompany doing $unpopularthing with a new article that rehashes information for clicks. People may disagree, but that’s okay. The goal should be to try to judge content on it’s discussion merits, not the user who posted it or personal beliefs. There will be screwups, but the community will need to assume good intent and the moderator will need to own up to mistakes.

On HN, it’s easy to avoid splittering the community because there is no “sub-HN”. The ones that are not interested or oppose the guidelines have no other option but to leave.

HN doesn’t try to cater to everyone and that’s their greatest strength. If my theoretical approach causes people to leave, that’s OK.

A lot of communities/subreddits/forums prioritize a growing user count number instead of fostering insightful discussion. I think this is what causes the huge communities to grow bland and foster an environment for abusive mods. It’s one thing to want to claim “I moderate a forum with 500k people”, but it’s another to say “I learn something new from my community every day”.

I’m content with c/technology and think the mods are doing a good job. It scratches the itch I want for being a general-purpose place to chat tech-related things but I would be elated to find a community that has a much higher bar for discussion.

rglullis,
@rglullis@communick.news avatar

If my theoretical approach causes people to leave, that’s OK.

Right, but that will also mean that the community will no longer be “big”. That’s my point.

If mods started going as far as deleting threads on the basis of “this discussion is already beaten to death and is not bringing anything new”, you can bet that this will be taken as an act of “censorship” and will cause everyone to leave to form their own factions - except maybe the ones that are aligned with the mods enough to understand the principles behind the decision.

cosmic_slate,
@cosmic_slate@dmv.social avatar

Right, but that will also mean that the community will no longer be “big”. That’s my point.

My best counter-example is to look at (well… pre-Reddit-API-controversy…) r/ask_historians. It’s one of the largest subreddits that became notorious for it’s very strict moderation. If a big community is defined by either user-count or unique participating users (as a proxy to gauge how close-knit everyone is), I think it classifies as both easily.

Even after it became very tightly moderated, it’s subscriber count generally tracked the growth rate of other subreddits. Even if the unique participant count growth rate is lower than other subs, I don’t think it ever felt “close-knit”.

If mods started going as far as deleting threads on the basis of “this discussion is already beaten to death and is not bringing anything new”, you can bet that this will be taken as an act of “censorship” and will cause everyone to leave to form their own factions

Participation in forums isn’t (entirely) a zero-sum game. Groups of people can break off and still participate in the old space.

There’s also no realistic way to handle users that default to not trusting moderators who are trying to make a good-faith attempt at community building. It’s a cooperative exercise at any scale.

  • except maybe the ones that are aligned with the mods enough to understand the principles behind the decision.

IMO this relationship between users and mods is the only one that matters. Assuming the mods are acting in good faith, this combination seems to be the only way to grow a community that won’t implode on the first bout of controversy.

rglullis,
@rglullis@communick.news avatar

I think ask_historians is in itself a community with such an specific goal that it makes it hard to be subdivided, but I see your point. The bigger question is how this could be replicated for other communities, if at all.

Hadriscus,

are they paid ?

cosmic_slate,
@cosmic_slate@dmv.social avatar

Whether they’re paid doesn’t matter. You can have poor/inconsistent/overzealous moderation from both paid and volunteer moderators.

Look at the inconsistency by Facebook content moderators and Reddit’s (formerly Anti-Evil Operations) paid moderation team that sporadically intervenes to remove some bad reported content/users but leaves others alone.

EatATaco,

I was on reddit for a very long time. And this is why I started to bemoan when communities would celebrate that they passed some number of subscribers.

/pardon me as I yell at the clouds. Stop now unless you want to read a completely unnecessary rant.

Two of my favorite niche subreddits were absolutely ruined by getting big: mindfulness and foodporn. The former was primarily a discussion about practicing mindfulness, there were even a couple of buddhists who actually deeply studied the tradition that provided very good non-western insight. It was a good place to go get help, albeit occasionally got a spattering of stupid memes, but you could easily get past them. As it grew it turned more and more into just memes, and then was just over-taken by new-age nonsense and pseudointellectual quotes over pictures. Food porn (while never exactly what I wanted) went from often having well-done pictures of good food, to shitty cell-phone shots of oversized hamburgers, half eaten food, and plates of food sitting on counters with all of this shit in the background.

rglullis,
@rglullis@communick.news avatar

I know that is a big ask, but would you be interested in helping bootstrapping these communities here? I recently created healthy.community/c/mindfulness and sfw.community/c/foodporn as part of my fediverser project, but these are not communities that I am not personally invested in. It would be a lot better if someone already helped to shape its general direction.

linearchaos,
@linearchaos@lemmy.world avatar

The problem is all the s*** we really want to hear about all the companies are keeping close to their breast.

Then, when something actually novel and interesting comes out it ends up being polarizing. We can only consume so much Chat GPT Gemini Bard crap.

We should start a tech community on the federal verse about technologies people are passionate about. Get some people to talk about cool s*** they’ve done with Wyoming, Piper and whisper. Maybe have some people talk about their local mini installs of LLMS, for how they’re getting the most out of stable diffusion. Maybe some people looking at Obsidian or Anytype, maybe some NixOS

There’s lots of cool stuff out there to cover there’s just not a lot of news about it these days. If it’s not AI they’re afraid people’s eyes will just glaze over.

GBU_28,

I don’t agree with your first two phrases but strongly agree with the later ones.

linearchaos,
@linearchaos@lemmy.world avatar

Fair

brb,

You are allowed to say “shit” here

linearchaos,
@linearchaos@lemmy.world avatar

Voice dictation. I need the censorship on for some places, but the setting is buried enough that turning it on and off is arduous. Unfortunately that means that gracing the world with my profanity is only for a times where I can be at the keys.

systemglitch,

Fucking A OP

defluo,

Blogs are really the only way now. At least in my life, it and RSS are making a big comeback. So if you know of any good blogs let me know

realitista,

RSS has been coming back for me big time too. Which blogs do you follow?

lemmesay,
@lemmesay@discuss.tchncs.de avatar
realitista,
lemmesay,
@lemmesay@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

wow, that’s a really big and cool list. I’ve imported it all. thanks!

anedroid,
@anedroid@szmer.info avatar

RSS is awesome and it’s one of those generic technologies I am talking about on my blog. I already covered RSS, PGP, FTP and F-Droid, and there are plans about SSH, git, KeePass and Delta Chat.

ilinamorato,

We need webrings to come back for better discoverability. Also, how do you consume RSS?

CatLikeLemming,
@CatLikeLemming@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Bleh, consume sounds like an icky word here. But if you want to set up an RSS Feed, get an RSS reader (I personally use NewsFlash, but use whatever you like) and then simply add feeds to it. You can find them on quite a few sites, the icon looks kind of like a wifi symbol. Optionally you could also just install a plugin like Awesome RSS, which automatically finds feeds on the site you’re currently on, which can be useful if it’s kinda hidden on the site itself

marx2k,

RSS yes. I love it.

Blogs…eh. the only time I read a blog is if it contains a solution I’ve searched for.

ColeSloth,

GBU_28 has made exactly zero posts, besides this one.

Dude, you can help fill the place with tech articles.

GBU_28,

I said that in the post text, and indicated I was seeking communities where more actual tech discussion is found. I received it.

As I said, I’m interested in places where the top, 12h content is more tech oriented.

In general I consume from this place. I’m not interested in building. I don’t care your opinion on that engagement pattern, only your info on other communities if you have it.

Squirrelanna,
@Squirrelanna@lemmynsfw.com avatar

You don’t have to justify yourself to them lol. You already are being the change they allege you want to see. And in the process created a resourced for others of like mind to find sources of news that doesn’t focus on tech business. A great first post.

qx128,

Check out Ars Technica. I’ve always enjoyed the fact that the are more technical than average news sources. For example, when they report on a software security vulnerability, they’ll actually go into the command line and try it for themselves. Pretty good reporters which more than basic tech knowledge, if you ask me…

arstechnica.com

drasticpotatoes,

I liked them until they started posting clickbait.

NOT_RICK,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

Some of their headlines can be shitty, but I find that most of their articles are great once you dive into them. Except for their Wired cross publication stories, those mostly suck.

Eric Berger’s space articles are fantastic. Well minus a recent article of his where he hand waved away Elon being a shitheel. On a technical level they’re great.

kilgore_trout,

Eric Berger is a SpaceX fanboy. He is knowledgeable about rockets though.

cosmic_slate, (edited )
@cosmic_slate@dmv.social avatar

They just aren’t good anymore. And haven’t been for a while. The science/space articles are nice to read on the technical side but they fall short on anything traditionally tech related.

A number of posts are sensationalized to the point of almost being incorrect. For example, their Okta post about the breach update affecting everyone was portrayed as if it were a third, completely unrelated breach. While Okta’s security practices were shown to be terrible this year, writing misleading articles makes it hard to follow news.

They’ve leaned hard into the “Twitter news gets us clicks” problem, they’ve leaned hard into that for clicks.

For years they’ve made it a point to have some kind of Tesla-bashing (or least Tesla related) article every few days — even 5 years ago Tim Lee basically said it was to drive traffic to the site.

With that said, obviously traffic plays a role. We’re a primarily ad-supported business and so we write more about topics that will generate more clicks. Articles about Tesla generate high click-through rates on our home page. Google News, our primary source of external traffic, also sends us a lot of traffic any time we write about Tesla. So do I write about Tesla for clicks? Guilty as charged.

Icaria,

Ars’ quality dropped badly about 10 years ago, around the same time New Scientist went to shit. A lot of their articles are now uncritical regurgitations of press releases. Even the one guy they had doing really detailed investigative pieces on the videogame industry up and left probably 5 years ago.

Also they never followed through on their promise to give us an everything-but-apple RSS feed.

AA5B,

Great, now I just read an article about no printers and am so enraged

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