HubertManne,
HubertManne avatar

wait! who hates poochie?

GlitterInfection,

I prefer the term “Wesley Crusher” over the term “Mary Sue” to describe that type of character.

BearOfaTime,

Haha, dammit, he is a Mary Sue. How did I not make that connection?

southsamurai,
@southsamurai@sh.itjust.works avatar

Eh, never hated Wesley back when the show was airing. When the episodes where he’s badly written (and there are many) are spread out over weeks or months, he’s not annoying enough to hate, and he does get some okay writing here and there.

If anything, having a younger crew member helped teenagers and kids find a more relatable character to have an in to the show if they weren’t already fans of TOS and the movies. So in that , even though he was poorly written most of the time, he’s still a valuable character.

Honestly, even back then my impression was that the writers were just crap at writing a believable “gifted” kid. That Wesley was supposed to be even more than gifted didn’t help because getting the kind of personalities that form around kids that really are that much smarter than those around them isn’t exactly a common experience even among gifted kids. The kind of genius that Wesley was described to be is just too rare for even the mensa set to have a lot of experience talking to.

That’s what I think the problem was. You had adults that weren’t used to the kind of intelligence Wesley was supposed to have, and didn’t really remember being Wesley’s age trying to write him. They just used tropes and guesswork to turn him into what amounts to a DMPC, a free check to make bad writing choices via “super genius saves the day” vs “teenager fucks up” mismatches.

Shadow,
@Shadow@lemmy.ca avatar

I don’t get all the Wesley hate.

No Star Trek character in franchise history has been more hated than Wesley Crusher

I don’t think this author watched past tng. Kai Winn and Dukat would like a word.

EmptyRadar,
EmptyRadar avatar

I hated Kai Winn so fuckin much

chahk,

If I hear that smug condescending “my child” again, I swear…

grue,

Villains don’t count; they’re supposed to be hated.

flipht,

Keiko

RootBeerGuy,
@RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Oh man, yes. I only heard about the Wesley hate after using the internet for a while. I mean, it is not a character I particularly like but definitely also not dislike either. Keiko however…

BearOfaTime,

Uggh. So poorly written.

Still second to Wesley though. That character just sucked. Not sure why they got to write more after the first time he was on.

caveman8000,

Harry Kim?

BearOfaTime,

Harry Kim is a far better written version of Wesley.

I’ve been Harry. I had a similar idealism and ignorance about how things worked when I got started. And the people who just seemed to cruise along with all the chaos just baffled me.

(God, can’t believe I’m admitting to having seen Voyager. Anything beyond TnG just sucks, in my opinion. It moved from Greek morality plays to melodrama, and got preachy to boot).

BumpingFuglies,

The important distinction, I believe, is that Kai Winn and Dukat were villains, characters designed to be hated. Wesley was supposed to be a precocious scamp, bringing levity and juvenility to an otherwise dry and mature crew, but just ended up being… Wesley.

snack_pack_rodriguez,

i enjoyed hating Winn and Dukat i hated hating Wesley there is a huge difference between the two.

Makeitstop,

Kai Winn is intended to be hated. And Dukat is such an enjoyable character that the writers had to go out of their way to remind everyone that he’s a bad guy.

I don’t think people hate Wesley in the same way. They don’t hate the fictional person, they hate the way the story presents him. They hate the way he saves the ship by being effortlessly superior to everyone, including Data. And it doesn’t help that he was a young actor with limited skill, featured most prominently during the shows weakest seasons that suffered from bad writing.

I think there’s far less negative reaction to the Wesley we see in The Samaritan Snare or The First Duty. He’s still a smart kid with a lot of potential, but the story presents him as a flawed, vulnerable person, rather than an obnoxious little shit with a terminal case of smug overconfidence.

AncientFutureNow,

I like Wesley.

Shalakushka,
Shalakushka avatar

Shut up, Wesley

inkican,

Don't tell my friend to shut up!

inkican,

Thank you - Wesley needed to hear that.

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