Zimited,

You get banned and muted even if you don’t follow the rules. Also many of these rules are just umbrellas to give mods reason to surpress your ability to be heard if they deem fit.

HollandJim,

Come to @apple_enthusiast here and watch the haters play. I wish it were just reddit.

p5yk0t1km1r4ge,
@p5yk0t1km1r4ge@lemmy.world avatar

So, I used to be a redditor. For eleven years, to be precise. Back then, for the first few years I was there, things were awesome. But as time went on, things seemed to get worse. Reddit has been on the decline for a very, very long time now. The community has become very toxic at this point; if you have an opinion they don’t like, they’ll dogpile you over it. They let their mods get away with abusing their powers (/r/SteamDeck is a great example), and they used to allow massive hate subreddits until the backlash caught up to them as well. All in all, they don’t care about their users. All they care about is keeping those clicks up. I was recently permabanned because I criticized some mods who reported it as “harassment”. Reddit is not a good place anymore, but they sure like to pretend they are.

Aeri,
@Aeri@lemmy.world avatar

I’m officially labeling Reddit as Nazi sympathizers, this isn’t a joke I am completely genuine.

The reason I know about Lemmy is because a few days ago they permanently suspended my account for “glorifying violence”

The horrible thing I said was that “I should have a legally protected right to punch Nazis” in a post featuring a video where a big dude knocks a neo nazi the fuck out. They swiftly denied an appeal to this ban as well so fuck me I guess.

Even if you think that I shouldn’t be allowed to say that, (which is stupid), I don’t think it’s permanent ban sitewide territory, especially when far worse things are happening on that site.

Some fuckwit had to actually manually flag that, according to their obnoxiously long DM about it.

On top of everything else they had the balls to say I should “familiarize myself with the TOS” like bitch you just banned me from the whole ass site forever I think it’s pretty safe to wipe my ass with the reddit TOS at this point.

p5yk0t1km1r4ge, (edited )
@p5yk0t1km1r4ge@lemmy.world avatar

I too have been recently banned. I had the audacity to criticize some mods. It’s funny how you’re permanently banned for “glorifying violence” when “justice served,” for example, a sub full of violence glorification, exists. But the violence is directed at bad people, so I guess it gets a pass.

Aeri,
@Aeri@lemmy.world avatar

They’re hypocritical, is the thing, not much more to say.

p5yk0t1km1r4ge,
@p5yk0t1km1r4ge@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, that’s really all there is to it. Hypocritical and ultra temperamental.

13esq, (edited )

You endorsed violence, that is against terms of service, there is no clause for “it’s ok to endorse violence against people we don’t like”. If you think that a blanket ban against endorsements of violence makes them nazi sympathisers, then you have some growing up to do.

You only have yourself to blame and you should be careful that you don’t find yourself banned elsewhere.

Aeri,
@Aeri@lemmy.world avatar

Nah reddit can fuck off for this one mate, I don’t give a shit what you think about this sorry.

John_McMurray,

Like look at this shit. They’re all throwing a fit because the poor guy said to not be so hard on the dog’s owner, you’d think it was their kid that died not his. reddit.com/…/father_of_boy_killed_by_dogs_says_me…

stoly,

My last interaction had me answering someone’s question then getting a permaban from some insecure mod who didn’t like that reality made them sad. I just walked away after 16 years.

p5yk0t1km1r4ge,
@p5yk0t1km1r4ge@lemmy.world avatar

11 years here myself. It’s a damn shame.

stoly,

Worse: the question was “why do people think that…,” and the answer was literally just why those people think that. That had me apparently advocating for the abuse of children for some reason. It was weird. When I asked, they went off, called me sick, told me to get help, etc. It was totally bizarre.

p5yk0t1km1r4ge,
@p5yk0t1km1r4ge@lemmy.world avatar

That’s classic reddit, naturally.

BaardFigur,

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    Tankie?

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    Being a transphobe would imply that I’m scared of tra

    …and here we go

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    why bother having an opinion on it

    Really?

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  • NaoPb,

    I think you make a fair point. And regarding sports it really isn’t fair if people have an unfair advantage. It also takes away the fun others have.

    I think it’s a hard decision to make because you don’t want to be labeled as transphobic, but you also don’t want biological and trans women competing in physical competitions. Now if it was about chess that would’ve been something else.

    The big question is what is fair. And I think fair is when we all have an equal chance and it’s no one has an unfair advantage over the other. And this might also disqualify biological men and women if that so happens to apply to them. Because it needs to be fair.

    I’m a trans woman myself btw and I would feel terrible if I were to compete with biological women in something physical. I just can’t imagine how that would be fair. Even if my muscle mass is mostly gone now, we are built different. Not better or worse, just different.

    P.S. does baard mean beard in your language too?

    BaardFigur,

    Baard is Bård (my name) anglicized. The norwegian word for beard is skjegg. But I’m aware baard is the dutch word for beard.

    NaoPb,

    Thanks for the answer. I was thinking about some bearded figure, haha. Have a nice day Bård.

    Punk_face,

    If it helps, at all…I don’t give a fuck either way. I find people who cling to the latest social trend as annoying as those who loudly oppose it. I enjoy educated banter from both ends of the spectrum…however, 90% don’t want a civilized & educated discussion…they want to insult and make you sound less than human in order to validate their beliefs & opinions. It’s the same all over the internet. Doesn’t matter if you are on Lemmy, Reddit, Twitter…doesn’t matter.

    NaoPb,

    Hey, someone who says what I’m thinking.

    And I agree, you find these people everywhere. Not just on Reddit. And they’re even on Lemmy.

    surewhynotlem,

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  • FUBAR,

    It’s not only genitalia, males have different hormone profiles growing up resulting in more strength.

    corsicanguppy,

    I can’t read your first paragraph-like word-mess with any confidence and I’m not sure the commas and periods are where they should be. I stopped there, and I’m sorry if this prevented me from really understanding what you wanted to say.

    corsicanguppy,

    TFW I’m actually sorry I couldn’t read a post and get censored for saying so.

    Daxtron2,

    The fact you call them windmills invalidates your opinion on them.

    myxi, (edited )
    @myxi@feddit.nl avatar

    From Murat Altinay, a psychologist:

    Postmortem studies, which focused on male-to-female transgender brain, found that the brain volumes of transgender women were similar to that of cisgender females in certain areas, such as the central nucleus of the bed stria terminalis or interstitial nuclei of the anterior hypothalamus. These are areas that are essential in sexual behaviors, and the fact that the transgender female brain resembles the cisgender brain was important.

    Researchers also looked at some gray-matter volumes and cortical thickness. Again, transgender brains showed similarities to the identified gender even before the patients started hormonal treatment.

    Read more: …clevelandclinic.org/the-brain-and-gender-identit…

    There are differences between the brains of cisgender people and transgender people. Even as a kid, they can feel and suffer from their fate of having their brain in the wrong body. This is not some mere confusion caused by influence. Imagine your brain gets transplanted to a body of your opposite sex. Even a toddler would feel uncomfortable.

    AdmiralRob,

    Phobia is defined as an irrational fear, dislike, or aversion. Take the word fear out. Someone calling you or your statements transphobic isn’t calling you a scaredy-cat, it’s an attempt to notify you that your beliefs about transgender people don’t appear to be coming a logical, rational, or well-informed place.

    Not that I’m accusing you personally of anything, I’m just sick people using the flaccid “but I’m not afraid of them!” argument.

    brax,

    Depending on the community, a lot of the hostility could be from Russian/Chinese/N.Korean bots

    Anticorp,

    Question: can someone help me properly calibrate my Ender 3 Pro printer?

    Answer: Your printer isn’t calibrated properly from the factory because capitalism bad and America bad.

    We get a lot of the same shit here on Lemmy.

    rickyrigatoni,

    You know it’s bad when even a user named anticorp is complaining about it.

    brax,

    “Joebama made too many regulations, so you can’t properly calibrate your printer.” 🤣

    Anticorp,

    I almost never see right-wingers in the wild these days. It seems that they’ve mostly retreated into their safe spaces. Or maybe I’ve just done a great job of blocking and avoiding most of the places they congregate.

    Uranium3006,
    Uranium3006 avatar

    Probably the latter. Right wingers don't like spaces where there aren't liberals to troll because that's the point for them. They don't wanna talk to other right wingers any more than you do because they're mostly toxic people

    Anticorp,

    Maybe some of them, but the r/conservative subreddit is huge, and they won’t let anyone except right wingers comment on almost everything. Only people with conservative flair can comment on like 95% of their posts.

    brax,

    The snowflaking and censorship in that subreddit is wild

    Anticorp,

    Not as wild as their lack of self-awareness.

    Ultragigagigantic,
    @Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world avatar

    Consider for a moment where you live. Now consider how we live.

    People are crushed all day at both their jobs. They have their livelihoods stolen away from them to increase the profits of mega sized corporations and the 1%ers that control them.

    The bi partisan police state is stronger then ever despite the George floydd protests (this is the 1% telling us the protests didn’t go far enough by the way)

    There is little representation to be had at the voting booth. You would think the conservatives would be happy since they can choose between two right wing parties, but even they want their shitty version of change.

    This isn’t a great way to live our lives for the majority of the population. Deep down, most people understand how broken and toxic living like this is, and it gets expresses itself through this toxic behavior. Not that this is any excuse for said behavior.

    However, if you live in the shitter multiverse, don’t be surprised shitty people are shitty after getting treated like shit by other shitters while living a exploitative shitty way of life. Shit.

    Anticorp,

    Fuckin A right. Well said.

    some_guy,

    The old site is only good for videos now. And old tech support stuff, if it hasn’t gone out of style.

    Ignacio,
    Ignacio avatar

    There’s so much hostility

    Same here, to be honest. Except for Beehaw, every other place seems like a no-mod/no-remember-the-human land.

    RightHandOfIkaros,

    The list of people, communities, and instances I have blocked on Lemmy is like 20x longer than what I had blocked on Reddit. And every day new accounts and communities pop up that get added to the list. At this point the only reason I don’t go back to Reddit is out of principle. Because Lemmy, for as good of an idea as it is, is like a cesspool for people who believe politics/social politics is a personality trait. And Reddit was becoming that way too, but maybe its different now considering Lemmy is like a sponge for those kind of folk.

    Cosmicomical,

    Lol, caring for society is definitely a personality trait. Not caring for it is literally a trait of sociopathy.

    OpenStars,
    @OpenStars@startrek.website avatar

    Fwiw, my own experience changed dramatically after I blocked lemmygrad.ml and hexbear.net. Some people also block lemmy.ml but I like the memes so I do not go that far - yet when people do come back with the most inane shit replies, it is >90% from there.

    The Fediverse does require curation to be halfway usable, but the fact that nice places exist here at all makes it very different from Reddit imho. That takes effort to maintain, and while mods may not always be perfect, consider the kind of person that would remain as a mod on Reddit after the protests… overworked, entirely unappreciated, and having to deal with the most childish people. When old-reddit gets further shut down (as it seems to have started to people say, e.g. when accessed via a VPN) it will degrade even further. The scabs will run the show, even more so than now. Just like happened with X.

    Ofc, do as you please, but I hope this perspective helps:-).

    Anticorp,

    Some people also block lemmy.ml but I like the memes so I do not go that far

    I’ve reported so many “memes” from there that aren’t anything close to a meme. They’re just hyper hostile political propaganda.

    OpenStars,
    @OpenStars@startrek.website avatar

    How much of that is due to it being one of the larger servers though? As well as one of the oldest. I don’t know that much about it - there’s the origin story but unlike searching for info about e.g. lemmy.world, I cannot readily find things about lemmy.ml like where it is located geographically. The closest description I’ve seen is here that only says “Server looks to be located in France”. But who knows if that is true?

    Anyway, you get to know the servers on Lemmy after awhile - like I’ve rarely if ever had an issue with anyone at all from mander.xyz, but then lemmy.world is a mixed bag (that one b/c it’s so big), and lemmy.ml is decidedly lopsided. But it is not the only place that has trolls. Perhaps I will block it one day, but I did not want to take that extreme step without giving them as much of a chance as I could.

    Which I did for both lemmygrad.ml and hexbear.net as well - and ultimately decided that it was better for the sake of my sanity to block them than to leave Lemmy altogether (fortunately v.0.19 came out just then and made it possible and easy:-).

    So now I want to tell people that they can DRAMATICALLY improve their experience on the Fediverse, just by blocking those 2-3 servers, in case it helps salvage their experience of it as well.

    Anticorp,

    Hexbear and Lemmygrad got bans from me almost immediately (after a couple of days) because it was obvious that all of their content is extremist. Lemmy.ml has a pretty good mix, but their memes community specifically has a ton of propaganda. I haven’t noticed any of their other communities being reliably propaganda. I actually started out on Lemmy.ml. I heard they are leftist and I was like “oh, I’m a leftist too. I’ll go there”. But then after being there for a while I was like “uh… Maybe I’m not quite the leftist I thought I was”.

    OpenStars,
    @OpenStars@startrek.website avatar

    I would actually prefer to be exposed to multiple POVs wherever possible, if it were delivered in a respectful manner. Likewise I enjoy learning more about various religions, and cultures, and all manner of things. However, I must draw the line against trolling behaviors. So for me, it is not just that they contain “content that I may not agree with”, but that they outright encourage behaviors that have driven me and so many others away.

    I got my start on Kbin.social, before it repeatedly kept going down for a week at a stretch, multiple times, and they had already defederated from those places, so fortunately I got to be exposed to the friendlier side of the Fediverse first, so I knew what was possible. But then after switching to try a couple of Lemmy instances, I gave serious thought to leaving the Fediverse entirely. There is so much else that I could do with my time, you know!? Read books, watch videos (like Hank & John Greene’s Crash Course series on YouTube), go outside and touch grass - I don’t need to be arguing with the emotional equivalent of toddlers online, acting as the recipient for their emo-venting aka vomiting all over me rather than having true conversations aka “communication”.

    That said, I might understand what you mean about the memes - if they violate the community rules then they are being disrespectful to the recipients who would have to spend time reading them, rather than enjoyable content. And if there is enough spamming of such, it inches closer to “trolling” behaviors, as in the same kind even if not quite degree. Though oftentimes people from that server also engage in actual trolling as well, in the form of responses that do not care about how the recipient would like to receive.

    Anyway, I left Reddit over that shit, and I would leave the Fediverse too if it came down to it, though fortunately it works to just block those 2-3 places and the rest becomes a MUCH better place to play around in!:-)

    Anticorp,

    I think it goes beyond trolling, I think it is astroturfing. A lot of it seems too on the nose to just be some rando cranking out messages on his phone. But like you said, the rest of the fediverse is pretty okay.

    I also like being exposed to alternative viewpoints, but it’s hard to find viewpoints online that aren’t extremist these days. Everything is so tribalistic that ideologies seem to become parodies of themselves.

    I miss the authentic conversations that used to be common on forums, then Facebook, then early Reddit. You don’t find them very often on any of the remaining sites. But we’re kind of having one here, so I guess it still happens, just not as often.

    OpenStars,
    @OpenStars@startrek.website avatar

    Astroturfing: Maybe… but also, we don’t need to ascribe to malice what is explainable with just flat, sheer stupidity. Though it could be that too.

    Between the two though, the latter is far more damaging imho. That gets perfectly illustrated in every zombie movie ever where the giant horde of zombies lies outside awaiting to devour everyone inside of a safe space, and inevitably someone who is just literally that dumb tells themselves “but surely they won’t eat my face off!?”, and proceeds to open the door, which promptly gets everyone inside killed, often while they are literally sleeping & thus absolutely defenseless, b/c they trusted the guards to protect them and thus let down their guard to rest.

    The “other”, the “enemy”, can only do so much to harm us. It is when the call comes from inside the house that the real danger begins. Like, if you wanted to destroy something large - a nation, a religion, a movement - the best way is not to go at it with a gun, but to join it instead, and subvert it from the inside. Look at e.g. Google that “helped” the development of Android, or how people are releasing genetically-modified mosquitos to help combat malaria. So if e.g. Russia wanted to bring down e.g. the USA, it could… oh, I dunno, let’s say send over Fox News, then wait a few decades for that bomb to go off. It would be quite effective. Not only would it disable American interference in Russia’s agenda - e.g. as it conquers other nations such as Ukraine but also does many other activities e.g. in the Middle East - but that process could at best even convert your former foe into an actual, full-on ally. Even on purely theoretical grounds, what could possibly be more beneficial for your side than to not merely deny resources to your enemy but to actively increase your own capabilities? There are a LOT of advantages to having a friend, perhaps second only to e.g. doubling your own power (and even that only from the perspective that people such as Putin seem to ascribe to, whereas many people who think differently would actively prefer the opposite as in the former over the latter).

    Russia is known for funding the extremes on both sides of hot-button issues. By making every movement into a grotesque version of itself, they foment division, and regardless of what those particular issues are (abortion, LBGTQIA+ rights, guns, who even cares), that division is the real point. For example, although this one is just me guessing, who came up with that name to “defund the police”?!? Democrats were talking about increasing funding, and listening to the very people who know the most about the situation - the police officers themselves - who unequivocally state that they feel unprepared to go in and handle the “mental health” types of scenarios. That is by far what gets the majority of police killed - like as you turn to arrest the husband that was beating the wife & kids, suddenly the wife is stabbing you from behind to defend him, even when she was the one who made the call in the first place. That shit is traumatic AF, and those officers that survive such a scenario most often quit. So how did the liberal movement to help police suddenly get twisted into sounding & even doing the polar opposite of that? And using statistics that are the exact opposite of true - e.g. Trump gained support among police by going around telling them the “feels like” statement that >90% of murders are due to interracial crime… except the true statistic is <9% iirc (specifically white-black at the time was I believe 3-6%).

    For the anti-vax scenario, and this one I’m not guessing on b/c we’ve literally traced this propaganda back to Russian troll farms, they similarly warped the agenda not from “the vaccine is new and relatively untested, b/c of the unprecedented speed with which it was developed” but all the way over to “the vaccine is dangerous and if you truly cared about people you should even prevent them from taking it even if they desperately want it for themselves (e.g. by violently destroying the batches)”. How is that about “their” rights to not take a potentially “dangerous” substance, when they are actively preventing others from making that choice for themselves?

    So anyway, yeah, even liberal propaganda can be as bad as conservative - even if Republican politicians are acting far more dangerously than Democrat ones i.e. obstructionism. I can never find this quote anymore, but at one point around the time when the pandemic status was being officially ended in the USA (despite how the WHO says that it is still on-going), someone (I thought it was the FDA Director, or something along those lines?) said that “the greatest killer in the USA today is stupidity”. Heart attacks from the way people eat, car crashes from the way we drive, soon we can perhaps add planes falling from the sky, obviously all the easily-preventable diseases where people barge into hospitals (sometimes, heart-breakingly, waving actual guns at the staff) demanding cures for despite having passed all the possibilities for such in the past by refusing to prevent it even knowing that no cure for it exists once the condition is entered into, and ofc we will soon need to start adding the effects of climate change e.g. heat exhaustion, and ofc already we can add senior abuse aka “excess deaths” during the pandemic that somehow “wasn’t real”.

    Anyway, I kinda went off the deep end there didn’t I? :-P At the end, all we can do is our best, as we try to move forward.

    Oh, and yeah, I used to try to have these kinds of conversations, but long before I left Reddit I had already long ceased that. There is only so much complaining at “walls of werds” you can hear before you realize that what you are offering is not being received, thus obviously the only friendly thing to do was to stop. I too would have GREAT discussions even on Facebook - I don’t know if I ever convinced anyone of anything, but even so it was wonderful to hear from e.g. a conservative who was an actual social worker and so who had the potential to inform me better than my more theoretical analysis of a subject (although my point in turn there was that stats do not lie, as in a few counter-examples do not mean that a trend in the opposite direction does not exist). Those kinds of discussions in full friendliness and mutual respect, regardless of the outcome, are part of the spice of life for me, and may I just say “fuck Reddit” once again for having spoiled them by enshittifying their platform, e.g. by turning away (and in some cases actively booting) the mods - which started to happen long before Rexit by continually ignoring the mods asks to allow even already-existing moderation tools, b/c it was not in line with their profit model:-(.

    So, you can respond to any or all or none of this, in any timeframe, but in any case I do hope it was somewhat interesting:-).

    Anticorp,

    Heh, yes you did go off the deep end a little. I agree with everything you said.

    We do have an impact, even though we don’t often hear about it. I was fortunate enough that someone actually messaged me back in 2016 and thanked me “for opening their eyes about trump”. That was really satisfying, because up until that point I felt like I was just shouting into a void. But people are listening, even when they don’t take the time to tell you they are. Of course for every one person that is actually affected, 30 of them aren’t. But reaching even one person is better than not reaching any.

    You’re right about leftist messaging being targeted by propaganda too. Some of it is from Russia, but a lot of it is from the right-wing. They take a message and twist it to the extreme so that it turns off people who would have otherwise supported it. What’s most frustrating is that a lot of gullible people actually agree with the extreme version, and now you have people supporting what was an intentionally ridiculous idea. I’ve even seen my friends fall for this.

    I think what makes discussion so difficult online now is the sheer volume of it, and the expansiveness of subjects to be discussed. It becomes overwhelming and then people just completely tune out, which of course was the troll farm’s purpose all along.

    OpenStars,
    @OpenStars@startrek.website avatar

    Omg I agree with all of that so hard, as well.

    The purpose of the conspiracy theories being less “here, believe this one thing” and more “somewhere, somehow, there is corruption in the government” (uh… duh?), and then promising to go in and fix it, which I guess gets taken at face value b/c the person “looks like” the message recipient, in some manners that count?

    But also, Trump never did “win”, so much as Clinton “lost”. And then later Biden did not “win” so much as Trump “lost”. Before that, Romney lost, before that McCain, and on and on it goes. So all the conservatives have to do to make Trump palatable - that guy who “Christians” like despite how he barges into little girls dressing rooms while they are changing, and talks about grabbing women by the actual irl genitals - is to make Biden seem worse.

    Which both Biden, by virtue of doing things in a boring manner, and the news media, by chasing after what bleeds & therefore leads, are cooperating along with to make happen. I dunno, I really hope they can pull it together in the next several months - the clock is ticking, and this time the literal planet Earth may be on the line (not only WWIII, but also climate change seems to have suddenly jumped towards us by something like ~100 years quicker than we expected - btw I entirely made that number up, but that Arctic temperature spike of 38.9°C/70°F in a single day does lend such a “feels like” statement some credibility doesn’t it!?).

    Meanwhile, people are gullible as hell - but since we know that, why aren’t we doing anything about it? Then again, I’m not smart enough to know what things might possibly work in that regard:-D.

    Anticorp,

    Meanwhile, people are gullible as hell - but since we know that, why aren’t we doing anything about it?

    Or using it for good? The Democrats have been consistently out-maneuvered for years now because the Republicans know how to manipulate the public. So why aren’t the Democrats running “trump is a socialist” campaigns? Why aren’t they showing clips of everything he’s ever said that supports socialism, showing how much government support his businesses get, and that sort of stuff? Perhaps they feel like they’re taking the high road, but the high road is washing out in a storm and fascism is growing. I think they’re partially inept. They want good things, but consistently fail to deliver on them and then blame the Republicans for their failures. It makes me think of this old Simpson s episode:

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/a276aa40-e7eb-439a-a4b4-5e29eebfbd43.jpeg

    OpenStars,
    @OpenStars@startrek.website avatar

    Another aspect: Republicans’ methods may (MAY!?!?:-P) be deplorable, but they manage to actually deliver. Not governance - unless you count how they went in to sabotage it in the first place, in which case mission fucking accomplished there - but e.g. they promised tax cuts on the wealthy anti-abortion laws, and say what you will about that (and much should indeed be said!), but they got it done. It took decades of efforts, but they DID IT.

    Meanwhile, Biden declared that the pandemic was over. The WHO disagrees, but he was so extremely over-eager to work in a “win” that he resorted to that falsehood. We expect that from a Republican, but when a Democrat does it, the base eats its own.

    Republicans also manage to protect the rights of gun owners. Mind you, perhaps they shouldn’t, but they do. Have Democrats protected the rights of workers even a tenth as well as Republicans protect their guns? Mind you, I can’t really answer that, bc minimum wage is up enormously compared to what it was, accomplished over the course of the last decade. And unemployment is down too. And gas prices are lower. But the wealthy are even richer than they’ve ever been, and inflation is up, as are home prices, and medical care too. Overall it feels like a downwards move, but also upwards too - one step forward, two steps back?

    And while Republicans are to blame for much of it, the old codgers in Congress can barely spell the word “internet”, much less comprehend how that interrelates with home prices. Government is SLOW (AF), and corporations are running circles around it, basically doing whatever they please, and leaving the future CEO to pick up the check.

    I recall sci-fi where governments might still exist, but taking a back seat to corporations that have sucked all the real power out of the world, leaving none left over for the peasants. More and more we see this lived out every day irl - e.g. who in the USA will stand up to Apple, or Google, or Facebook (yeah they have different names now and I don’t even care:-D)? Yet Democrats do nothing at all about it.

    Conservatives have a much easier sell - all they have to deliver is “nothing functions anymore”, and they get the credit. But it’s not just 10% that want that - it’s like 42-49% of the nation, and due to the Electoral College system, they can win with that. Maybe Democrats backed themselves into a corner, but that’s the game that needs to be played, I suppose. And it would help ever so much if those extremely old and extremely wealthy people would bother to learn stuff about their base, so as to stay in power rather than hand it over to the side that wants to burn it all to the ground.

    Anticorp,

    Democrats aren’t backed into a corner. All they need is a strong stand for workers rights, issues facing the middle class, and they’d win a ton of supporters. But that would put them at odds with the almighty corporations that line their campaign coffers, so they will not. Instead they focus on identity politics, and other polarizing issues to keep them at odds with the conservatives. To me it often seems that they’re the good cops in the Good Cop/Bad Cop routine, and ultimately they want the same thing as the Republicans, to retain their own power at all costs, and hopefully get rich doing it. If not, why haven’t they reversed Trump’s corporate tax cut? Why haven’t they proposed legislation to codify abortion rights? Whether they could get it passed or not is a whole other conversation, but they haven’t even presented anything. They’ve just let the Republicans get all sorts of changes pushed through and then shrugged their shoulders and said “identity matters”. Yeah no shit, but that’s not going to fix America. This is where I usually run up against protest from serious Democrats because they believe in their party, and I’m definitely losing faith. Maybe I’m seeing what truly is, or maybe I’m falling victim to all of that propaganda we talked about. Anyways, like you said, it’s definitely starting to feel like one of those sci-fi dystopias where the corpos run the country, and wield the government against their enemies like a weapon. I still believe in the United States, and I don’t think we’re cooked yet, but we have a lot of work in front of us.

    OpenStars,
    @OpenStars@startrek.website avatar

    We seem to have this fucked-up system where the two parties literally WANT to take turns - Republicans (until Trump came along) back themselves into a corner wrt e.g. Climate Change, then depend on hope that a Democrat will get elected and actually take care of it, then they will still “blame” them for all that “hippy stuff”; and then Democrats want to lower taxes on the wealthy so depend on hope that a Republican will get elected and make that happen.

    An example is the border crisis: there are real issues there, that both side want to do something about, yet both sides are also leaning so heavily into politicking that they cannot manage to accomplish anything at all. It even/especially got so bad that they did finally manage to do something, almost, before Trump made some phone calls and shut it all down.

    Just like the stock market, the appearance of things somehow matters more to them than reality. “Game theory” predicts that you simply cannot stamp out such a type of “cheating”/“gaming the system” set of behaviors - it’s literally impossible, and can even work to the favor of the overall system in odd ways (like viruses infect cells, which ngl is bad for the individual cell, but as they do they can bring along genes that trigger behaviors inside of them, which exceedingly rarely but in a population rather than individual sense can save the whole damn species from an extinction-level event, especially for bacteria where the number of cells and infection events are both exceedingly large and they already exist more in a population rather than individualistic mode to begin with) - but such modelling also predicts (iirc) that when the threshold is reached that not only a few people cheat it but it BECOMES the system, then it all begins to break down.

    At that point, people either need to move on to another new system that has not yet been fucked up, or else the whole thing crashes down. Either way involves a lot of pain.

    For myself, I have lost faith in democracy, as it seems most people have alongside of me. That is not to say that we should ignore our responsibilities, it is just that I don’t think they will counter these trends towards evil behaviors of greed and exploitation. I used to hold out great hope, but now I think that was naive, wishful thinking. But the only thing to do is move forward, and we’ll see how it plays out I suppose. Maybe this is one of those things where like “it always seems darkest right before the dawn”?

    On the other hand, what exactly are the actions that we (liberals) are doing to counter the effects of both globalization and automation? (links to any resources explaining that would be welcomed, though not your responsibility ofc - I will find them eventually!) We did manage to raise the minimum wage - that’s excellent - but for the most part while the other side seems greedy, we seem lazy.

    Case in point: abortion. While the overturning of Roe v. Wade is solely within the purview of the Supreme Court, why don’t more states have more laws on the books or in the works to add protections in at the state level, as conservatives are doing on the other side of that issue? Diligence wins the day, regardless of who does it (as the phrase goes: you reap what you sow) and yeah I know about slow & steady wins the race but… are we merely slow, or are we living in a fantasy dreamland where somehow everything will magically fix itself without any effort on our parts? People are dying over there, and while we must allow others to live however they choose, why not enshrine some protections for “ourselves”? THAT much at least, is not something that can be adequately explained (imho) as “it is the Republicans fault” - wouldn’t that lie solely within our own purview?

    Anticorp,

    I still have faith in democracy, but I’m starting to understand why the forefathers went with a representative democracy, and not a direct one. This thread is getting so compressed from all the nesting that it’s getting really difficult to read, only a couple of words per line now. So, I’m going to say farewell, and it was really nice talking with you. Lets both keep our minds and eyes open, and be diligent about not being manipulated by propaganda. Take care!

    OpenStars,
    @OpenStars@startrek.website avatar

    That’s… messed up. Fwiw, I am using the webpage UI - not an app - and it shows up perfectly for me. But yes, it has been enjoyable to discuss more deeply with you than is usual on a social media site - this is the power of Lemmy!:-)

    Uranium3006,
    Uranium3006 avatar

    Defund the police was never a Democrat thing, and it's the watered down version of Abolish the police. The left in America is extraparlimentary so while we may vote Democrat they don't really represent us

    OpenStars,
    @OpenStars@startrek.website avatar

    That is so true - we lost our democracy long ago, having been replaced by a plutocracy, and now people like Elon Musk want to enshrine that even more directly.

    The oddest part, in my mind, is that the founding fathers warned us about exactly this, saying that it was the greatest threat to the fledgling nation - so it is not like this took us by surprise. They said that when there are no barriers to citizenship, the masses who can be most easily swayed will get swept up by the wealthy who have the ability to buy their votes.

    But we still fell into this trap regardless, having been warned, their/our eyes watching it happen the whole time, but apparently unable - or rather unwilling - to do anything about it. Just like Trump’s legal troubles: the system is set up to protect people like him, so now it works to his benefit yet despite everyone seeing how broken it is, nothing can - or rather will - be done about the situation.

    It would be so nice to have real choices to pick from. Conservatives deserve that, liberals deserve that, the 80% of people who are in the middle deserve that… but we will not merely be handed that, we would have to make it happen (except we cannot, or rather - once more - will not).

    Noel_Skum,

    “Centre-left” or “left of centre” are viable political position that may better describe your views. They tend to be a bit more “individualistic” (possibly the wrong choice of word) than full-fat socialism can be.

    Anticorp,

    Did you go through my history or something? I don’t disagree with your observation, I’m just wondering how you arrived at it.

    Noel_Skum,

    I’m not stalking you… honest ;-) “Left, right and centre” have always existed on a spectrum. Like you (I think) I’m left wing compared to an ultra nationalist, for example, but compared to a “tankie” I’m… whatever insult they want to throw my way. The key thing is “left” in itself is also a kind of spectrum; there’s an enormous difference between Stalin’s collectivisation of Soviet agriculture versus free school meals for all. You’ve met some socialists or communists etc and you seem to have realised/decided they’re a bit too left for you. Therefore it seemed reasonable to guess you were a little bit left as opposed to being full-on red flag waving left. This rant is just trying to say that there’s an entire sliding scale of left (and right) and it’s not about being 100% anything. Slightly or a bit left of middle seemed about where you might be.

    Anticorp,

    That is excellent deduction. Thanks for sharing!

    0ops,

    Your first paragraph is spot on for me. I also haven’t blocked lemmy.ml yet, but I’m this fucking close man. Personally, I hope that lemmy grows, grows more diverse, and the politically toxic side of lemmy gets diluted a bit.

    OpenStars,
    @OpenStars@startrek.website avatar

    It is what it is. The original founding developer is a tankie, and offered everything he did entirely for free. Meanwhile after Reddit began to collapse there were several projects - like squabbles and discuit - who offered to let people come onto their instance but refused to offer their code as open source, presumably with the intention of using the standard approach to first disrupt the market and then later make a bunch of money (also used to lure in fish, set out the bait and then reel it in).

    The closest one to Lemmy was Kbin, but that has its own whole entire set of drama, being open source but not sharing the development process with anyone else and then the singular founding developer being extremely slow to add new features or take things further or even maintain the existing instance in the meantime (there is the Mbin fork, but if Lemmy is early beta or late alpha stage software, Kbin/Mbin is still early alpha, plus Kbin repeatedly goes down for days to a week at a time).

    Meanwhile, most people who just enjoy being “taken care of” by daddy spez remained on Reddit, which from a technical perspective (of like server uptime and whatnot) does objectively offer a better experience. At least until old-reddit is killed off, though in the meantime they seem to allow it due to their increasingly dire need for content creators.

    So anyway I am saying that politics is very much entertwined with the entire existence of this place. People chasing profits have other Reddit alternatives that they turned to, so we are the odd ones who enjoy “sharing” (i.e. in the socialist sense) and are willing to put up with the significantly higher technical barrier to entry and greater share of problems, in order to preserve our freedoms and help set something up that has a hope of lasting in the future, as corporations enshittify themselves all around us.

    But yeah, I want to ditch the toxicity side of it as well:-). Except I cannot change others, only myself, hence why I just block those and move on with my life, and let them do the same.

    some_guy,

    I dunno, seems fairly chill to me. Maybe we subscribe to very different channels.

    Rentlar,

    On the topic of byzantine rules, I’d found out at sometime last year that a major subreddit had banned linking other subreddits…

    In the 6 years I was there I thought that’s what Reddit was all about, but what do I know?

    The Fediverse is perfectly set up for linking people to new communities they might not have come across on their own.

    Trying to figure out which rule I broke on Reddit and when it was implemented from moderators was a pain. In contrast, Lemmy mods have messaged me when they want me to edit my comment to conform better to the rules which was great. Lemmy public modlogs are also a huge improvement since while it can’t stop tyrant mods/admins, it makes knowing how you crossed them much clearer for people.

    Ultragigagigantic,
    @Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world avatar

    I used to get shadowbanned all the time because I often posted lots of on topic links. I think it’s automated.

    Aux,

    deleted_by_moderator

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  • Lemonparty,

    If Reddit is toxic to you, then you must be one of them.

    Well that’s not very nice.

    Cuttlefish1111, (edited )

    Funny, I haven’t seen a single “commie” advocating for violence or racism. It’s always the republicans.

    Aux,

    deleted_by_moderator

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  • Cuttlefish1111, (edited )

    “Commies” tend to be progressive who also tend not to be bigots. Sling your shit all you want. Common sense defies redneck logic. I forgot, you’re here for the specific communities yet here you are. Go back to TheDonald

    Aux,

    Progressive? Ahaha! Great joke!

    yemmly,

    I’m not even talking about political stuff. I’m talking about how people make all kinds of false assumptions about you and accuse you of things when you’re just trying to have a normal human conversation.

    Aux,

    Yeah, sounds like Lemmy!

    Ragnarok314159,

    The Reddit psychologists always made me laugh. “Hey, you disagree with me. I really think you need to seek professional help for your problems.”

    Yes, because I don’t like Gale in BG3 and prefer Karlach, I need professional help. Thank you.

    kbin_space_program,

    What, why would someone say that. Gale is irritating. If it wasn't for his ability to have two high level summons and fireballs he'd absolutely be benched for me.

    Ragnarok314159,

    The BG3 subreddit is weirdly pro-Gale. As in if you talk against you are downvoted and reported.

    SuperSaiyanSwag,

    I was “YTA” because I let my friend’s dog into my room while he was whining outside my door at like 2am when my friend was away.
    Context: I was letting my friend live with me rent-free for some months with me because he was in-between moving and at one point he asked me to not let his dog into the bedrooms because he ate cheeseburger from my other friend’s room one time. Everyone in the comments was essentially “his dog, his rules”. I deleted my Reddit account after that because I just could not reason with anyone.

    OpenStars,
    @OpenStars@startrek.website avatar

    For many people - in the USA most conservatives seem to be adopting this mindset, see e.g. Elon Musk’s vision for “X” - such forms of argumentation is not a negative, it is the point.

    Just like talking with toddlers (b/c it relates to both a capacity, and in a sense also their past choices as to how they want to live their lives, and yet at some point those choices become instantiated into their day-to-day activities to the point where the choice no longer presents itself, much like an addiction where you once chose it, but now it chooses you), your only choice is to put up with it or leave. You cannot have a “human” conversation with people who are not humane (either b/c they cannot or will not be thus, the difference arguably becomes moot when there is no functional distinction b/t them).

    Rhynoplaz,

    So, why are you here?

    Aux,

    For the same reason I’m on Reddit - there are some communities I’m a part of.

    Ultragigagigantic,
    @Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world avatar

    Just a reminder, encouraging people to be armed is not encouraging violence.

    Work towards peace, prepare for the inevitable.

    SSocialistRA.org

    p5yk0t1km1r4ge,
    @p5yk0t1km1r4ge@lemmy.world avatar

    By all means, please show us your proof, otherwise you’re just another anti lemmy reddit schill.

    willya,
    @willya@lemmyf.uk avatar

    You’ve been here 9 months and haven’t witnessed it here?

    Blaze,
    @Blaze@dormi.zone avatar

    To be fair, it’s another level on Reddit compared to here

    willya,
    @willya@lemmyf.uk avatar

    Haven’t dealt with it so wouldn’t have a clue.

    yemmly,

    I’m not talking about users who make crazy comments. I’m talking about how I made a legitimate, on-topic, non-controversial post in good faith and it got removed with no explanation. Then when I followed the sub’s instructions about how to ask why my post disappeared, the mod replied with a bunch of passive aggressive snarky shit and muted me.

    willya,
    @willya@lemmyf.uk avatar

    Yeah pretty ridiculous… which subreddit and about what?

    stoly,

    Lemmy is what reddit was 12-15 years ago. There’s no comparison.

    willya,
    @willya@lemmyf.uk avatar

    Wasn’t comparing it. I was really stating that humans are toxic… especially when anonymous and I’ve seen/witnessed plenty of it on here. I’ve even been an asshole quite a few times. There’s a lot of good moderation that may be hiding it from you. Especially on world.

    desentizised,

    tbh I’ve had almost exclusively hostile(-ish) exchanges on lemmy as well, but obviously going back to that morally bankrupt place isn’t gonna be the answer.

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