Law enforcement vs VPN providers?

Hello,

reading about the topic I personally wondered about how people can use VPNs like ProtonVPN for torrenting which isn’t legal in some countries, without ProtonVPN and other providers getting in trouble.

Of course they don’t log and don’t have data about which user is accessing what so they can’t hand out data. But why don’t law enforcements force them to block specific traffic and thus hindering people from using it for pricacy?

nailoC5,

But why don’t law enforcements force them to block specific traffic and thus hindering people from using it for pricacy?

What traffic? They have forced Mullvad and IVPN to stop offering port forwarding and deleted Mullvad guide to binding their VPN to qBittorrent. I don’t think they can do anything else to hinder people from using torrent for piracy.

calmluck9349,
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I thought they did that to reduce the amount of data they have on users?

nailoC5,

where did they say that? Mullvad:

Unfortunately port forwarding also allows avenues for abuse, which in some cases can result in a far worse experience for the majority of our users. Regrettably individuals have frequently used this feature to host undesirable content and malicious services from ports that are forwarded from our VPN servers. This has led to law enforcement contacting us, our IPs getting blacklisted, and hosting providers cancelling us.

IVPN:

Since recent similar changes in the policies of another popular VPN service provider, we have seen a significant influx of new customers, and the risks posed by such activities have grown manyfold. A considerable increase in law enforcement inquiries and erosion of relationship with data centers could threaten our ability to keep serving our customers.

zeluko,

law enforcement is exactly that.. enforcement.
If there are no laws in place to force providers to do that, it cant be done via these means.
And if you cannot enforce because the provider is outside the jurisdiction, then you cant either.

And if you start forcing blocks, the users will adapt by either changing provider or simply evading the block.

WarmApplePieShrek,

police arrest people who didn’t break the law all the time, and they can steal money without even thinking you broke the law

aldalire,

For torrenting, any vpn will hide your ip from copyright trolls. Choose one with port forwarding though.

For shady shit just use tor

rtxn,

Mullvad was actually “raided” by the Swedish police. They left with fuck all. It was great publicity for Mullvad.

THE_MASTERMIND,

My respect for mullvad increased

bruhduh,
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LordWiggle, (edited )
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First things first: not all VPN providers do not log. Many do. And they are happy to sell the data. So keep that in mind when choosing one. Proton is the best imo, I’m a happy user of their services for many years now. They are subject to Swiss privacy laws.

Torrenting isn’t illegal but it can be used to illegally download. Just like the internet in general.

It’s like a car. It’s a normal form of transportation but if you want you can break the law with it. If it’s your car, it’s easy for them to find you. When you rented the car and the rental company doesn’t log user data, it’s impossible to prove who was the driver. But the rental company isn’t to blame, as they didn’t break the law.

Same with VPN providers. They provide a legitimate service which people could use for illegal business. But when there is no user data, there’s no proof of who did it. But the VPN provider can’t be blamed either, they did nothing wrong.

PoliticallyIncorrect,
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Let me put it this way for an easy understanding, let’s suppose you are in Africa, and you are connected to a Russian VPN and you pirate an USA copyrighted stuff, do you believe someone will give a flying fuck about it?

queue,
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Torrenting stuff that is public domain or intended by its creators to be shared via BitTorrent isn’t illegal. You won’t get busted for sharing a Linux ISO or a copy of Moby Dick.

You would get in trouble for media made in or after 1929 (currently). A VPN would help to protect you from being caught for this, but you would most likely never get arrested for downloading, only being a major player in a scene.

And why cops don’t stop them? They do. There’s laws on books that prohibit them, but in (a lot) of countries, they either don’t have a law that stops VPNs, only piracy sites, or simply don’t have the time to care about media piracy when there’s bigger fish to fry.

Ozy,

I’m not very well educated in this topic, so I hope someone can correct me if I’m wrong here.

Torrenting as a whole, is not illegal. Look at Linux distributions for example, they offer direct downloads and torrents. What is illegal is distributing copyrighted files.

pumpkinseedoil,

And torrents start seeding automatically so it’s only legal as long as you torrent files that aren’t copyrighted, right?

TheGalacticVoid,

Even if you didn’t seed, if it’s copyrighted content, many places make it illegal to download it as well

hips_and_nips,

And torrents start seeding automatically

Not necessarily, that should be configurable from within the torrent client.

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