itsnotits,

let’s* go party

phoenixz,

No, not all, as communism was shitty enough by itself to not need any anti propaganda. Dear god, read a book instead of spouting slogans

Cowbee,

Which book? I’ve heard good things about Blackshirts and Reds, I might read that one soon.

ohitsbreadley,

Lol. Nice erasure of the existence of McCarthyism.

Communism pwnd itself bruh - shit sucked so hard they didn’t need Anti-Propaganda like:

Is This Tomorrow? America under communism!!

Shit was so bad, that the US didn’t need to run any covert operations to subvert, discredit, arrest, jail, or even, allegedly, assassinate the prominent figures and leaders of progressive, socialist, and communist movements – I mean, if they did, they certainly wouldn’t have called it COINTELPRO. It’d be a dumb name anyway.

Pfft

ARg94,

What’s a few hundred millions of lives lost to that anti-semite moron’s ideology over the last hundred years, eh comrade? Progress!

brain_in_a_box,

Least historically illiterate anti-Communist.

MargotRobbie,

Hey, that meme looks familiar…

TheCreepero,

I left reddit for Lemmy because I was fed up with how auth-left that site was becoming. I thought that Lemmy, being still new would be better balanced and less hostile for a regular pro-market classical liberal like me.

And this is the level of shit I find in here. Fuck ya’ll I’m out.

Grayox,
@Grayox@lemmy.ml avatar

Don’t let the door hit ya.

originalucifer,
@originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com avatar

hhahaha this is what does it for ya? Barbie broke ya?!

and its all ' im done with thousands of servers, cuz i saw something i didnt like on one of them"?!

FrostKing,

I’d like to point out that the majority of people on Lemmy 100% think about this. Hence how many up votes it has :p

klon,

leftist_meme.png

crimroy,

Nice post history lol

z00s,

“Most powerful empire the world has ever known”

Lol Americans

The Romans conquered the known world with pointy sticks and diplomacy.

The US hasn’t been on the winning side since ww2 despite having nukes and spyplanes.

Even the British Empire spanned the globe, and all they had was cannons, rum, and syphilis.

OldWoodFrame,

But if they fought I’d bet against the pointy stick guys and the syphilis guys.

bruhduh,
@bruhduh@lemmy.world avatar

James Cameron’s avatar be like

JustJack23,

Yeah they may not incorporate other countries like previous empires, but their sphere of influence is undeniable unfortunately.

boatsnhos931,

Did they have taco bell tho

cheese_greater,

I too would like a Medieval Meal

bruhduh,
@bruhduh@lemmy.world avatar
AngryCommieKender, (edited )

More importantly, did they have the ability to deploy a Taco Bell, McDonald’s, and Wendy’s anywhere in the world, within 72 hours, just so their troops would have variety of food?

Nope. The Japanese knew they had royally fucked up when they realized that we had ships that were dedicated to ice cream supplies. You have to have everything else needed for war covered, before you start the logistical supply train of ice cream.

boatsnhos931,

Nothing like a cone after a long day of killing japs, hits the spot. knowhatimsayin?!

z00s,

No they just had the latrines too close to the food prep area, same effect

boatsnhos931,

Is that your food prep hack? 🤤

z00s,

Find out the one weird trick to lose weight fast - generals hate it!

DragonTypeWyvern,

Are you claiming that Victorian England could take modern America in a fight?

Diurnambule,

So are you trying to make him say what he didn’t say because your butthurt ?

DragonTypeWyvern,

So you agree America is more powerful than the British Empire?

Diurnambule,

In military power, yes. Greatest empire ever, no.

DragonTypeWyvern,

One, no empire is “great,” they all suck donkey dick, that’s the definition of an empire, two, the meme specifically states “most powerful.”

America is objectively the most powerful empire to ever exist, just as the British were more powerful than the Romans.

originalucifer,
@originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com avatar

i think the only thing keeping china from taking that top slot is reach and the use of the dollar worldwide. both of those are collapsing. the US might not be the biggest asshole on the planet for much longer

DragonTypeWyvern,

Yeah, instead we’ll get a nation that treats North Korean workers so poorly they riot and execute the management.

Good times for humanity ahead…

pingveno,

Eh… don’t count on it. China has some significant weaknesses. In the short term, economic growth has slowed significantly. Debt in the private and public sector is having consequences, both in the housing market and elsewhere. In the longer term, China is aging at a faster rate than the US, both due to a low birth rate and immigration rates that are virtually nonexistent compared to the US. China’s GDP is outpacing the US for now, but it’s an open question how long that pace will last.

z00s,

OK, what’s your basis for objective measurement?

DragonTypeWyvern,

The ability to literally kill all multicellular life on Earth is a good starting point for “powerful”

z00s,

Along with Russia, China, India, France and the UK. And North Korea and Pakistan.

And no, the US doesn’t have the greatest number. That’s Russia.

So, no, the US is not “objectively the most powerful”.

…wikipedia.org/…/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weap…

DragonTypeWyvern,

That America’s actually work tip the scales, along with having a military not made of meat grinder slaves and eighty year old Soviet tanks. Plus, you know, a real navy and air force.

And while modern France and peers could indeed no diff the Romans or Victorian Britain, only America and Russia have enough nukes to kill the world (go us!)

z00s,

Lol you’re neck deep in propaganda

z00s,

I just wouldn’t call it an empire, that’s all. I’m not a historian but to me, empires are made by occupying other countries.

The US is a powerful nation of course, but they don’t have the same focus on conquest as the other countries throughout history have had.

DragonTypeWyvern,

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifest_destiny

Just ignoring the concept of neocolonialism for a second, most American land was stolen through conquest. That the American Empire is not currently aggressively expanding is irrelevant, did Rome not count as an empire when its borders were stable?

z00s,

That would be interesting, to compare the land mass of the US with the max size of the Roman empire. My guess is that the romans would win by a hair.

But the Brits would definitely win because they have Australia, which is almost as big as the continental US just in itself, let alone all the other countries they conquered.

Aux,

A few trolls can take America by installing a puppet red head president who will then dismantle the country in a few years time.

Dr_Fetus_Jackson,

We prefer you call him The Great Pumpkin, thank you.

KredeSeraf,

See also

  • Adolf Twitler
  • Benedict Donald
  • Cheeto Benito
  • Cheeto In Chief
  • Cinnamon Hitler
  • Comrade Cheetolino
  • Con-Hair
  • Despot Cheeto
  • Diaper Don
  • Draft Dodger Don’
  • Fanta Menace
  • Hair Furher
  • King Mierdas
  • The Manchildian Candidate
  • Mango Mussolini
  • Orange Julius Caesar
  • President Gold Man Sucks
  • Prima Donald
  • Pumpkin Pinochet
  • Tangerine Toddler
  • Tangerine Tyrant
  • Trumplethinskin
  • Tweeto Toupee’to
  • The White Pride Pipe
pyrflie, (edited )

Rome wasn’t the most powerful empire, merely the third longest lasting; the Assyrians and Egyptians had a run that puts Rome to shame, and the Khans wielded far more power than any individual emperor.

The US is just the only world power left in modern time that could deploy anywhere within 24 hrs with more than just a strike force (and they can do so far far harder than any previous “empire”). The US “empire” is based on deployment potential, banking, and diplomacy. Nukes are just the key required to gain entry to the table so you don’t get wiped at deployment.

Bricks is literally the alliance trying to match US power and still hasn’t. This is mostly a barrier to entry problem rather than personal power, but it does stand that no previous empire could match the modern US in millitary, finance, or diplomacy.

But hey give it 50 years we are doing our best to shit on two of those.

wind3s, (edited )

You seem to completely misunderstand American diplomacy.

Just because America doesn’t have the same style of conquest, doesn’t mean they aren’t conquerors.

America was the first empire to realize that all empires eventually fall whose agenda is toppling nations and replacing their flags with their own.

The USA invented a unique twist: never replacing the country’s flag.

Instead, as evidenced by countless examples such as Iran and Panama, the American agenda has always been installing a new national leader whose interests align with American ideals of democracy and “freedom” (predominantly of the white Christian variety). But they keep their “flag”, or in some sense maintain a national identity through the new leader, so it feels a lot less like they were conquered.

AngryCommieKender,

Exactly. Wilson fucked up with Wilsonian Doctrine, among a ton of other things. Teddy had it right. Speak softly and carry a big stick. Get in, get out, get done.

z00s,

Lol That’s just a bunch of mental gymnastics to justify why the “mighty” US can’t even win a war against an impoverished SE Asian nation with 50 year old Soviet weapons

mrmanager,
@mrmanager@lemmy.today avatar

It’s true, but with Russia or China in charge, it would be even worse.

exocrinous,

I hate to be the one to break this to you but the Berlin Wall fell. Russia is capitalist.

hex_m_hell,

Russia always was capitalist, that’s kind of the point of Animal Farm. If you look at the company towns of the Kentucky Coal Miners historically, it’s the same structure as the Soviet Union: the company (or the state) owns everything and enslaves the workers. One used debt, the other pretended to represent the proletariat, but the ruling class extracted labor from the workers and only supplied them the minimum necessary to survive. Lenin was a reactionary pretending to be a revolutionary.

brain_in_a_box,

It’s true

Glad you get i…

but with Russia or China in charge, it would be even worse.

Never mind

Gradually_Adjusting,
@Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.ca avatar

Wouldn’t really call what Putin or Xi has going on communism though, would you? They both operate stock exchanges and broadly private enterprise that systematically subjugates their working class while they constantly feel the need to expand their territory and purview of economic sway abroad. To me that sounds a lot like what we do when we talk about our capitalism.

pyrflie, (edited )

Xi yes, Putin no. Both are Authoritarian on the Y axis, but Xi does actually dictate a Communist country on the X axis.

Xi kinda killed the illusionary pooch (diplomatic and economic) by shutting down Hong Kong.

hex_m_hell,
pyrflie,

Do you guys even understand XY axis over on solarpunk or do you just think that refers to sex?

I kinda wonder.

hex_m_hell,

The political compass is literally a propaganda tool created by right wing “libertarians.” It’s complete bullshit.

pyrflie,

Well that answers that at least. Found the new lemmygrad.

hex_m_hell,

Lemmygrad is tankies, which is exactly the point. You can’t tell the difference between anarchists and the people who murdered them. The political compass exists to create that confusion, equating “libertarianism” (by which, they mean right wing “libertarianism”) with the original definition of libertarian socialism.

Even the choice of “libertarianism” as a name was intentionally chosen to confuse things, to steal a word and destroy it’s meaning. IIRC, Murray Newton Rothbar literally said that he was intentionally stealing the word “libertarian” for the right. The whole thing is about propaganda and confusion, and the political compass is part of that.

originalucifer,
@originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com avatar

its a dictatorship pretendintg to be an oligarchy pretending to be a democracy. i would call it 'captured democracy'.

but its just a dictatorship with extra steps.

mrmanager,
@mrmanager@lemmy.today avatar

It’s what I expect from these kind of people. Everyone in leadership is there for power, and they are all surrounded by others who benefit from them being in power. Almost all of them are not good people with good hearts.

Humble people with good hearts don’t seek these positions in life. So the conclusion must be that humanity will always be under these kind of leaders.

exocrinous,

Or we could not have leaders. You know, if leaders are all bad people, let’s get rid of them

Gradually_Adjusting,
@Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.ca avatar

Every day I stray closer to being an anarcho-communist

DharmaCurious,
@DharmaCurious@startrek.website avatar

Join us. We have knitting circles and cookies. It’s great. You get all the existential dread of knowing what the fuck is wrong with the world, with the added full knowledge that the things that could fix it will likely never happen because we missed our chance at a revolution before the people in power had nukes, and now even if you convince everyone that it would be better that way, those in power will straight up nuke their own people before allowing them to govern themselves, destroying whole swathes of the planet, along with unreplaceable history and culture.

Plus, there’s a nifty æsthetic, and a range of really good music from folk to metal.

Gradually_Adjusting,
@Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.ca avatar

You’ve very helpfully put your finger on exactly what holds me back. If I found myself believing in a lost cause, I couldn’t bear to go on. I am too close to despair as it is, so I will spare myself the small indulgence of certainty.

Maeve,

It's not certain, though! It's only certain if we fail to come together and try!

DharmaCurious,
@DharmaCurious@startrek.website avatar

The trouble is knowing that it isn’t likely doesn’t stop it from also being true. I’m also of the opinion that just because full communism isn’t likely doesn’t mean we shouldn’t advocate for it, because any move toward liberty, freedom, equality, and the general principles of anarchism and socialism are good things. You don’t come to the table with your compromise, you come to the table with what you know you can’t get, and negotiate to something possible.

Do I believe communism is possible within my lifetime? No. Do I believe it possible at all? Absolutely, not only in the sense that if we did it it would work, but that we can and likely will do it, eventually, if we survive long enough. Do I believe it’s worth fighting for, even if I’ll never see it? Yes. Because the work itself is enough to improve lives, and the more people who throw their lot in with the far left the more likely we are to see real, substantive change for the better, even if it is incremental.

Also, sorry for the 4am wall of text. Haha

Maeve,

Hi, just checked your profile and first blog entry. How enchanting! ;-) what does joining do? Allow us a blog space?

DharmaCurious,
@DharmaCurious@startrek.website avatar

Aww. You may be the first person to actually read my blog. Lol. What is your question about joining?

Maeve,

There's a sign up link. Just wondered what signing up does. I've bookmarked your blog and shared it with someone who also read at least the first entry. You're really good. I'd encourage you to consider self-publishing a book or ebook, at some juncture

DharmaCurious,
@DharmaCurious@startrek.website avatar

Oh! I thought you meant my comment to the other poster, saying join us, as in the anarchists.

Joining up, I think, just emails you if I ever manage to post anything. When you say you read the first entry, do you mean the runes of flight snippet, or some of the philosophy stuff? Runes of flight is a completed short story I wrote for school, based on a random reddit comment I made once. Haha. I’ve been meaning to get back to it for a while, and posted it on there to sort of grease the wheels a bit for writing more. Regardless, I’m glad you like what you read. :)

Maeve,

I've not gotten to the Philo yet; I'm intrigued! Completely enjoyed the first bit of the Runes of Flight .. But he's so cute, I need to plant a tree! I have to read the rest and get to the philosophy. I'm thrilled!

DharmaCurious,
@DharmaCurious@startrek.website avatar

Ah, okay. Yeah, Runes is my baby. Agnes has been knocking around in my head for years at this point, and I hope to do her justice one day and write an actual, real novel.

Fair warning on the philosophy stuff, I’m batterscained, and it’s a bit rambly. If you like nondualism, Hinduism, Vivekananda, etc, it might be interesting. I need to post more. :/

Maeve,

Long live Agnes!

Yes, I'm a bit scattered, myself. I am not familiar with Vivekananda, but look forward to your introduction at your blog. I'm a bit familiar with Kalima, Shiva and a few others. It's been a long time but I was a bit familiar with Zen, Dzogchen, philosophical taoism , Tiibetan Buddhism... It would take a lifetime of immersion to become intimately familiar, I feel, but I think I get the general gist. I look forward to learning with you! Thanks so much for engaging conversation.

DharmaCurious,
@DharmaCurious@startrek.website avatar

Anytime!

And I’m sure there are much better introductions, but Vivekananda is a downright gas to learn about. Either the first or second (I forget) blog post was an introduction to the Swamiji and his address at the world’s parliament of religion. I hope you enjoy. :)

baritone_edge,

Very cool post. 5/5

KeenFlame,

Ironically the same in left leaning countries just corps banging the workers and blaming someone else using insane propaganda every single fucking where

TokenBoomer,
KeenFlame,

Sorry I don’t get it

rusticus,

This post is WAY more insightful than 99% of people realize. I would argue that the only people that fully understand are part of the corporate engine that drives it.

TokenBoomer,

Are you implying you’re a corporate shill?

rusticus,

I’m a mole

robocall,

I like this new meme format

800XL,

I dunno man, anytime a power-hungry fascist wants power the terms Communist, Socialist and Leftist apply to political opponents, brown people, Jews, intellectuals, gays, athiests, immigrants etc.

They’re said to be poisoning the blood of the nation and enemies of god. The fascists call the “right denonination of religion”, patriots, and other nationistic jingoistic terms the true and pure blood of the country.

Go back and listen to Hitler’s and now Trump’s speeches if you want to see for yourself.

The propaganda from the “most powerful empire” didn’t start that, it’s human trash like Hitler, George Lincoln Rockwell, William Luther Pierce, Father Coughlin, and Joesph McCarthy.

And now we get Chinese and Russian int ops perpetuating shit memes like this when they are more to blame for current shit perceptions than the horseshit blame contained within their memes.

And yea agreed, fuck corporate interests too right along with it.

exocrinous,

Nazi Germany was modelled on America.

lemmylem,

In advocating for privately owning and operating a business without excessive state interference, you highlight a core tenet of capitalism. This economic system champions individual freedom and autonomy, allowing entrepreneurs in a free-market environment to introduce innovative products, with relative ease and without burdensome regulatory approval.

However, concerns about state intervention under socialism introduce a nuanced perspective. While socialism aims to address issues of inequality and social welfare, it often involves more centralized control over economic activities. This centralized approach could potentially impact the entrepreneurial freedom to choose what products to sell and how to manage a business.

This dichotomy underscores an ongoing debate, weighing the advantages of a free-market capitalist system that fosters entrepreneurial independence against the goals of socialism, which seeks to address social and economic inequalities through collective decision-making and regulation. It prompts consideration of the trade-offs between individual liberty and the pursuit of societal equality and welfare.

Moreover, criticisms of socialism often include the potential for increased economic inequality. Centralized control might lead to bureaucratic inefficiencies and disparities in resource allocation. Additionally, concerns about AI companies taking advantage of stringent regulations add complexity, as the regulatory landscape could inadvertently favor larger corporations, potentially exacerbating economic imbalances and hindering smaller businesses, including startups in emerging fields like AI, from thriving and innovating. The multifaceted nature of these concerns contributes to the ongoing dialogue about the merits and drawbacks of different economic systems.

Tinidril,

Yikes. I know it shouldn’t surprise me anymore, but I’m still shocked at how deeply so many people have absorbed this nonsense.

lemmylem,

What did I get wrong?

Tinidril,

My guess? Watching too much CNBC or Fox Business.

Your understanding of regulation only considers freedom on the side of business and not the freedoms of everyone those regulations protect from corporate malfeasance. You don’t get that “socialism” includes things like worker cooperatives that should be the ideal of market commerce. Your concept of freedom seems to exclude the concept of positive freedoms. Your idea of capitalism ignores the coersive reality that workers without the means of production live under. I could go on but I’m not sure I could ever stop finding new issues, which is quite amazing.

In short, your comment contains nothing that isn’t straight up corporate propaganda from someone with not enough curiosity about the world and privileges that have allowed you to remain ignorant.

Maeve,

Not to mention the Fed is centralized economic control.

lemmylem,

Nah I wanna keep all the money I make from my private business and I don’t want state approval to sell product or following some burdensome bullshit regulation. Socialism is dog shit compared to capitalism, I wouldn’t want to give up any of my individual freedoms. If you don’t like the system, simply go move to another country that has it. No need to get all upset.

Tinidril,

LOL, that’s not anger. At best it’s exhaustion, which has become my typical reaction to people taking a dump on a thread and demanding answers to tired old bullshit that’s been answered a thousand ways before.

lemmylem,

No one can prove me wrong still

Tinidril,

You can lead a horse to water, but when his health fails or his business burns down he’ll be looking to the big bad government for a handout.

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