Dear server admins, please defederate threads.net. Dear users, ask your server admin to defederate threads.net.

Meta just announced that they are trying to integrate Threads with ActivityPub (Mastodon, Lemmy, etc.). We need to defederate them if we want to avoid them pushing their crap into fediverse.

If you’re a server admin, please defederate Meta’s domain “threads.net”

If you don’t run your own server, please ask your server admin to defederate “threads.net”.

Chozo,
Chozo avatar

Short-sighted advice from people who don't understand the purpose of ActivityPub.

Deceptichum,
Deceptichum avatar

Yes allowing corps into the Fediverse is very short-sighted.

Chozo,
Chozo avatar

It wasn't a roll-call.

sour, (edited )
sour avatar

why is snark

Chozo,
Chozo avatar

I'm snarky because I'm annoyed at seeing the constant FUD being lauded around here. Sorry if that snark comes off as hostile.

Yes, Meta is a shit corp who doesn't deserve any free pass. However, ActivityPub wasn't built with exclusion in mind. Nor does the protocol allow Meta access to anything that you aren't already giving up freely to thousands upon thousands of other servers (many of whom cannot or will not respect your rights to data privacy) whenever you use any Fediverse platform.

People who are scared of Meta joining the Fediverse simply do not understand how the Fediverse works, or misunderstand the design philosophy of ActivityPub.

sour,
sour avatar

have different problem

platform owned by corporation tends to have more pro corporate users

what happens to existing culture on fediverse

is general trend that online communities get worse when above threshold

mateomaui, (edited )

Most people on Threads aren’t pro-corporate, they don’t actually give a shit about that. They’re just too confused by the decentralized model to be on Mastodon, couldn’t get an invite to Bluesky, and wanted somewhere to be other than Twitter.

Being connected to it all via Threads could eventually help them get enough understanding to migrate to a different instance.

sour,
sour avatar

aren't pro corporate

threads can still have more pro business people than fediverse

does analogy about non-technical topic work better

mateomaui,

Except I have no idea WTF that reply means so good luck getting threads users to understand it.

sour,
sour avatar

._.

mateomaui,

Try using actual sentences to express yourself, it’s more effective.

sour,
sour avatar

am silly ._.

mateomaui,

fair enough.

Chozo,
Chozo avatar

what happens to existing culture on fediverse

Likely nothing. If Threads users are problematic and Meta refuses to moderate them appropriately, then instances can defederate later.

Doing it preemptively or forming a pact is just absurd, though. It's treating the users of Threads as a threat, instead of Meta (who can and will still be able to harvest anything they want from the Fediverse, because that's how ActivityPub works), and that's not fair to them who didn't ask to be thrown into our community in the first place.

sour, (edited )
sour avatar

defederate later

problem often cause damage before is addressed

pre block be safer

threads users signed up for threads

Chozo,
Chozo avatar

If that's how you want to run your instance, that's your right to do. But for community-based instances, the users should have some say in the matter.

Yes, I can move to another instance if mine decides to defederate, but that's a lot of hassle that I'd have to go through because of a decision somebody else made for me, all because they can't or won't moderate themselves.

sour,
sour avatar

hold vote

squiblet, (edited )
squiblet avatar

If you don't like decisions somebody else makes for you, then run your own instance.

This isn't meant to be snarky, btw, it's a valid solution and one of the freedoms of the fediverse system.

yOya,

problem often causes damage before is addressed

pre block be safer

You build a bridge. After awhile it might start to decay and without proper upkeep it might even collapse! Better to never build a bridge in the first place.

Dieinahole,

I'd rather not build a bridge to the land of festering pustules to begin with

liquidparasyte,

Clearly you haven’t dealt with a Mastodon instance having a major defederation event.

For most users, regardless of the validity of the defed, the user experience is terrible. Their social graph just suddenly, stops working, the people they follow can no longer see their posts, all because of the actions of a few bad actors or administration failures.

This paired with the fact that maybe only Firefish or Misskey lets you (mostly) seamlessly migrate to a new instance with your data intact, and the lack of a standard way to see what followers you will actually keep when you migrate, means that the defederation experience is sucks, and migrating to a different instance to escape that is a pain in the ass.

Meta has already shown it has piss poor moderation in the best of times, and actively boosts incendiary content in the worst of times, all while collecting, profiling, and exploiting your data. It’s literally inevitable that they’re going to break the rules of all but the free-est of free speech Instances, so for the privacy, safety, and headaches of everyone in the fediverse, we might as well save ourselves the trouble.**

Excrubulent,
@Excrubulent@slrpnk.net avatar

ActivityPub wasn’t built with exclusion in mind

Yes it was, that’s what defederation is for. The potential for exclusion is literally built into the design philosophy of federated networks. Every instance has the freedom to not host Meta’s crap. I don’t know why people don’t understand this.

You’ve also made the point that the information is still accessible, so it’s not like we’re taking down their instance. We’re just turning it into a pariah to devalue it, and if enough instances do this, I guess that means the action is popular. If it wasn’t, it wouldn’t succeed. There’s very little to debate here, it just sounds like you don’t like people using their power to do something you disagree with. Sorry, that’s up to those people. It’s not for you to dictate what other people do with federation.

squiblet,
squiblet avatar

ActivityPub wasn't built with exclusion in mind.

So what? People can run kbin or Lemmy as a standalone forum not connected to anything, if they want. People are free to use the software however they see fit. Wouldn't exactly be the first time people choose to use software in some other way then the authors intended.

otter,

While I’m cool with blocking threads.net, “we should block all corps from the Fediverse” doesn’t make sense and that’s a bad cause to focus on

It’s fine if an instance wants to make that their policy, the fediverse gives an instance the freedom to do so, but it would provide little gain for a lot of annoyance

Other bad reasons:

  • “Meta can spy on us”: they can do that even without threads.net, and federating makes little difference there
Sanyanov,

We certainly should keep corps at a 1km pole from here.

They come and ruin everything they tough in the name of profit. Can they force their way? Partially, maybe, in some ways. But if we welcome them with open doors, it will get way worse. The last thing we should do is give up and say “they’ll get their dirty hands into this anyway”.

Let’s keep this place tidy of bullshit, pretty please.

otter,

We can take precautions against their nonsense by enforcing the standards, and we can educate people about why it’s a problem. That becomes difficult if we just close off entirely. We can’t have an impact on things we close off to and ignore

I don’t think we should give up or welcome them with open doors, I just think there’s more nuance to it than “defederate from any fediverse thing tied to a for profit entity”

Facebook’s case is special because of their nasty history with control and abuse, so if people want to be extra aggressive with them then I’m good with it

Sanyanov,

Well, first off - protect yourself, and then manage the rest. I welcome the noble goal of enforcement and policies and education, but it will always be like cathing a slinky.

We should be very vigilant with their presence here, and in this case, we should certainly close off.

Dieinahole,

Do you understand what corporations do?

otter,

I’ve got some understanding yes

I think most people here have a similar sentiment around corporations and big tech companies, which is why we’re on this platform and why we donate to keep them run by nonprofits

TORFdot0,

You are free to make your own Mastodon/Lemmy instance and federate with them. Being able to block instances is user choice which absolutely IS the point of ActivityPub. There is no one entity that says you must federate or must defederate.

FaceDeer,
FaceDeer avatar

Yeah, close that protocol! Build the walls around our garden higher! No need to wait for them to actually do something worth defederating over, we just don't like them!

This is silly. A major social media network is trying to join the Fediverse and everyone's keen on stopping it. If Meta does something dirty or damaging, sure, defederate them then. But I was kind of hoping that open protocols would flourish, not just end up as another bunch of balkanized forums and Reddit-likes.

Alto,
Alto avatar

I'm sure Meta won't be awful this time! Sure they've been awful quite literally every single chance they've gotten, but they won't be this time!

capital,

Damn. Better block it now because we literally can never go back to reassess.

Fuck I wish we had more time to decide!

FaceDeer,
FaceDeer avatar

I'm not saying they won't. I'm saying there's no reason to defederate preemptively.

Sanyanov,

That’s the only way to do it with minimal damage.

Defederating after this happens will cause a giant strain on the Fediverse and will simply accelerate the problems for which we don’t want Meta here in the first place.

Dieinahole,

For some reason I can't dowvote this, so: this is a fucking stupid take

Alto,
Alto avatar

I honestly don't understand how some of you have this point of view. This isn't a they've been evil once or twice thing. This is a they've been evil at every single opportunity and actively seek out more opportunities to be evil for well over a decade and you're a fucking moron for trusting them thing.

nia_the_cat, (edited )

I don’t know how many times Meta has to literally be worse than a movie villain for people to stop having stockholm syndrome.

They’ve ran experiments on their users putting negative content in their feeds to see how it affects their mental state, if you want that stuff on here, well, I don’t even know what to say.

They have a track record of being absolute garbage for decades.

Why does everything have to have Meta in it?

Transporter_Room_3,

“yes, they kill, torture, brutalize, pillage, and kick puppies, but if we don’t allow them an equal voice, can we truly say we are any better?”

Yes. Yes we can.

Zorque,

If you haven't noticed them doing dirty or damaging things for the last twenty years, feel free to engage with them.

There's more than enough evidence to show their intentions are far from pure.

BaroqueInMind,
BaroqueInMind avatar

How are we supposed to do that when people like you are encouraging admins to defederate which removes any semblance of freedom of choice that you are fucking trying to imply we act upon?

sour, (edited )
sour avatar

decentralization purpose is choice to move to other instance

BaroqueInMind,
BaroqueInMind avatar

Or build my own, which is great to have as a contingency.

squiblet,
squiblet avatar

I’m sure there will be instances that remain federated with them, and you can join those… or just join Threadstagram.

PopOfAfrica,

This is what I’m thinking. I don’t understand why people fled from the corporate internet only to be excited to go back to them.

FaceDeer,
FaceDeer avatar

The corporate internet is adopting an open protocol. I find that to be exciting. It's not us "going back" to the corporate internet, it's the corporate internet coming to us.

dezmd,
@dezmd@lemmy.world avatar

All of the corporate internet adopted open protocols in the first place. Expand your limited view and increase your awareness of the history of the networks as they evolved before Google, Microsoft, and Apple were beginning and end of tech. We got to now with open protocols. Now everything is being walled up by DRM since theyve managed to preintegrate it in all of the hardware across the board before the open protocols even come into play.

xigoi,
@xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Defederating with Threads is a great way to make people “go back to them”, so I’m not sure what your point is.

Excrubulent,
@Excrubulent@slrpnk.net avatar

They’re a multinational corporation, they don’t need us to host their shit for you to be able to read a goddamn article and learn something.

If you don’t yet understand that they’re evil that’s on you.

BaroqueInMind,
BaroqueInMind avatar

What if some of us don't care if they're evil?

sour,
sour avatar

._.

Deceptichum,
Deceptichum avatar

Then get fucked?

Meta are largely responsible for the current state of affairs right now. Nearly every current war, genocide, fake news, and more can be tied back to Meta.

BaroqueInMind,
BaroqueInMind avatar

Are you seriously simplifying all current conflicts caused down to simply social media? So if we completely remove all social media, humanity instantly becomes the utopian society from science fiction. STFU with this stupidity you ignorant child.

Deceptichum,
Deceptichum avatar

Simply? No.

Dangerously and deliberately engageful? Yes.

Look at the impact of FB in the Rohingya genocide for fucks sake.

Fucking right wing wanker.

Dieinahole,

The fuck is wrong with you?

Zorque,

Then feel free to go to threads or somewhere that does federate with them. You don't have to stay on a particular instance if they don't federate with something you want to engage with.

That's your freedom of choice.

BaroqueInMind,
BaroqueInMind avatar

There is no plan for kbin to defederate with Threads, which is why I'm here you dolt. Maybe you should leave.

Draconic_NEO,
@Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world avatar

Makes sense, Kbin is one of the most lax instances when it comes to moderation and defederation, and that’s why they’re considered so bad when it comes to spam and illegal content.

BaroqueInMind,
BaroqueInMind avatar

I like the freedom of kbin but also maintain an account on Beehaw because they are the complete opposite with frustratingly strict moderation to the point of moderators telling people to check their naughty language at the door (which is totally understandable).

Draconic_NEO,
@Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world avatar

However the serious problem with Kbin’s very lax approach is that it invites some really nasty people who will exploit it. I heard an admin say that a majority of the spam and CSAM attacks have come either from kbin.social or other kbin instances, and at the time it was made worse by a bug that prevented mod actions from federating from kbin, meaning the content stays up even after moderated on its home server. It wasn’t great.

Excrubulent, (edited )
@Excrubulent@slrpnk.net avatar

Then you’re evil. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Go ahead, be evil. It is certainly your prerogative.

Edit: just look at how many votes “But what if some of us don’t care if they’re evil?” got. Like, what a wild-ass bullshit thing to say. This thread is definitely being astroturfed.

luthis,

It’s sarcasm. I upvoted them because I would have said something similar to highlight the absurdity of any argument against defederating with Threads.

Excrubulent,
@Excrubulent@slrpnk.net avatar

Read their replies. They are apparently being sincere. You have fallen victim to Poe’s law.

luthis,

Oh fuck…

Really?

Excrubulent, (edited )
@Excrubulent@slrpnk.net avatar

kbin.social/m/fediverse@lemmy.world/t/…/4154704

Sorry, I don’t like it any more than you do. :/

BaroqueInMind,
BaroqueInMind avatar

Thanks, it is my prerogative.

This is the point of the freedom of federated communities: we can read whatever the fuck we want from wherever the fuck we want without having authoritarian censor-heavy limp-wrist adult-baby moderators and corporate fascists determining what we are allowed to read or affiliate with.

The freedom to read both sides and control what I want to interact with on my own will, and make my own decisions is why I'm fucking here. I don't want people like you making decisions for me, go fuck yourself.

Thanks for noticing I'm evil. I'll go make a nice blood sacrifice to my effigy of Satan by eating another baby.

Excrubulent,
@Excrubulent@slrpnk.net avatar

Right, so nobody’s stopping you from joining threads, or making your own instance. You can call it evil.villain. Why don’t you?

Dieinahole,

So when they steamroll this place so hard you only get their side of the story, what then?

BaroqueInMind,
BaroqueInMind avatar

I promise you nothing is going to get steamrolled, you are simply being very ignorant.

In fact, I will @ you with a reminder in 30 days as a reply to this message of how mundane and routine everything is to prove you are wrong.

TacoButtPlug,
@TacoButtPlug@sh.itjust.works avatar

I’ve noticed a lot of turfing on all of these threadsfed posts. It’s becoming more and more. People just need to get a threads account if it’s so important to them.

Excrubulent,
@Excrubulent@slrpnk.net avatar

Well they’re clearly aware of us, we can’t pretend we’re just a bunch of silly little beans doing our own thing anymore. Of course they’re going to do this. There is literally not a single reason for them not to.

TacoButtPlug,
@TacoButtPlug@sh.itjust.works avatar

It just sucks how rapidly it’s becoming. Can’t even spend a year in bliss before the shitheels arrive.

Excrubulent,
@Excrubulent@slrpnk.net avatar

Yeah, but the reason we need federation in the first place is because of the relentless onslaught of monopoly.

I think this is a good prpblem to have. The fediverse gets to test itself against the largest established social media network, and honestly I don’t see a way for them to win. You can ses it in these replies - they are scared of this boycott. Even more exciting now that I think of if - this isn’t a consumer boycott like we’re used to. This is a boycott by the producers. The instances create the network, so their voices are much more important.

2deck,
@2deck@lemmy.world avatar

It is exciting. I’ve been impressed by the response to this. Reading between the astroturfing, there’s a community with a sense of purpose here.

Thanks to all who are here genuinely!

sour,
sour avatar

ü

TacoButtPlug,
@TacoButtPlug@sh.itjust.works avatar

I’m old enough to know better than be excited. I haven’t seen a single good community have staying power in the time of the entire internet. And it’s only getting worse. Especially when a billion dollar tumor takes interest in where you’re at.

What I do find interesting and alarming is how aggressive Meta is in seeking out the small inconsequential pockets of the Internet and crushing them. They’re so deadset on fuxing any collective not being monitored by their government backed all seeing eye. It will be interesting to see how a federated social network holds up but I wouldn’t assume they don’t already have at least five game plans to crush it.

sour,
sour avatar

if you no come to facebook, facebook come to you

TacoButtPlug,
@TacoButtPlug@sh.itjust.works avatar

Sad but true. I think the only way anything could ever be restored to the bygone tangible days of the Internet would be to destroy Meta, fully.

Draconic_NEO,
@Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world avatar

We should have rules against turfing like this in the community, and remove or ban people suspected of it. I get the benefits of having a neutral place but at the same time we don’t allow advertising here so why should suspected astroturfing be any different.

Zorque,

So... admins aren't free to choose? Why are you trying to take away admins freedom of choice? Sounds kind of authoritarian to me.

Chozo,
Chozo avatar

If you're self-hosting a personal instance, do whatever you want.

But if you're hosting a community for other people, you should consider what they want. That's the responsibility of a community leader.

Zorque,

That's the beauty of the fediverse, if the instance you're on isn't doing what you want, you can move to another one. Or create your own.

I'd say that's a pretty clear indicator of the popularity of decisions. Saying "No, you can't do that, cause I don't want that" is putting your desires above the desires of others.

BaroqueInMind,
BaroqueInMind avatar

This is why I love federated communities; the freedom of choice is great to have.

Sanyanov,

When you fuck over people with their freedoms, you don’t deserve the freedom to be extended to you.

It’s the same as paradox of tolerance. You shouldn’t be tolerant to intolerance, and you shouldn’t give freedom to those who want to strip it away from you.

That’s like freedom 101.

ttmrichter,
@ttmrichter@lemmy.world avatar

Sign up on Threads if you want Threads content. Fucking duh.

theneverfox,
@theneverfox@pawb.social avatar

You can spin up your own server… That’s what the fediverse is.

The freedom to do whatever you want as an admin, and the freedom of choosing another server where you’ll still be part of the network

Meta/Facebook threatens this, because their user base dwarfs the rest of the fediverse. They’re also running their own closed source server code… They can gatekeep their own federation

I would love it if companies joined the fediverse, but like, by making instances. Maybe even use it for their internal Intranet. Maybe they could add federation compatible APIs to their existing software

I don’t want a massive social network company to use their position to make a new social network…

Federation is like Bitcoin or Tor - it’s decentralized, until one org becomes too large… At that point, they can control the network in countless ways

spacecowboy,

How many times does Meta have to show you who they are before you start paying attention?

BarrierWithAshes,
BarrierWithAshes avatar

I'd be closer to agreeing with you if XMPP didn't completely invalidate your point. They did it there and they'll do it here.

kpw,

XMPP works great, you just have to use it. It doesn't invalidate anything.

BarrierWithAshes,
BarrierWithAshes avatar

Theres a reason nobody uses it anymore. Google extended the crap out of it, effectively took over the protocol and then retired it. It bears the same echoes of what's happening here.

kpw,

This didn't happen. In fact Google was the one who fell behind development when the protocol moved on and deprecated unencrypted connections for example. People just don't make it a priority to use XMPP instead of the walled gardens they are using now.

Dieinahole,

If you like meta so much, why are you here?

FaceDeer,
FaceDeer avatar

I don't like Meta. Why do you assume everyone has to be on one "team" or the other? I'm in favor of open protocols and open protocols can be used by anyone. Even if you don't like them.

ttmrichter,
@ttmrichter@lemmy.world avatar

Every open protocol that survives past the first couple of days of actual use, no exceptions, has some mechanism whereby bad actors can be removed.

Don’t use “open protocol” as your excuse for sucking Zuck the Fuck off.

FaceDeer,
FaceDeer avatar

As I just said, I don't like Meta. And keep your homophobic slurs out of civil discussion.

But they are not yet a bad actor on the Fediverse because they haven't actually joined the Fediverse yet. If you're so convinced that they're going to do something awful, why the big deal about defederating preemptively?

ttmrichter,
@ttmrichter@lemmy.world avatar

You don’t like Meta. You’re just arguing vociferously for inviting Meta, a company with nearly two decades of documented abuse of everything they touch, into another space for them to fuck over.

Pull the other one, Sparky. It plays Jingle Bells.

FaceDeer,
FaceDeer avatar

There's no need to invite Meta, the invitation has already been given by the fact that ActivityPub is an open protocol. I'm just very annoyed by the cavalcade of people who were so quick to tout that benefit over Reddit's walled garden now turning on their heel and reacting "but not like that!" When that openness is made use of.

PopOfAfrica,

The protocol only needed an open license that forbade profiting off user data.

FaceDeer,
FaceDeer avatar

That's a pretty big restriction for an "open" protocol.

roguetrick,

The microbloggers are a bit different than us, in that they actually try to create a "social circle." Threaded discussions with random assholes like we enjoy tend to be more focused on giving us someone to reply to.

dezmd,
@dezmd@lemmy.world avatar

Embrace, extend, extinguish.

You are either innocently unaware of how it works or just dissassociating from reality. Meta has to compete with Fediverse if it can’t directly harvest user activity for marketing and advertising systems. They quite obviously will (have to?) do everything they can to influence technical decisions that allow them to steer the protocols in a way that is profitable rather than for the good of the end users and communities.

They ultimately will seek to build walls around their development and services on their terms and leave others not part of their profitable ecology of development outside of those walls. They are a publicly traded corporation, this is just a normal evolution in for-profit corps, even if current employees do act as positive curators of community engagement.

Excrubulent,
@Excrubulent@slrpnk.net avatar

Federation means you can defederate for any reason. It’s not a set of principles, it is an ontological arrangement whereby power is distributed. Plenty of users will look for defederated instances to join because keeping facebook out of our shit is what we want. You are free to find instances that are federated. Nobody will stop you.

And as for things they’ve done, personally I find that knowingly stoking genocide in Myanmar is enough for me to not give them any more chances.

ttmrichter,
@ttmrichter@lemmy.world avatar

Defederation is part of the protocol.

At least make your rhetoric somewhat resemble reality? Please?

FaceDeer,
FaceDeer avatar

Yes, and I've got nothing against defederation. Once there's actually a reason to defederate.

ttmrichter,
@ttmrichter@lemmy.world avatar

Nearly 20 years of Facebook abuse is apparently not a reason.

Holy fucking shit is the attention span of humanity getting short.

Draconic_NEO,
@Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world avatar

They’re confused and likely think that federation means no rules and unconditional access to any server from your account, when it couldn’t be further from the truth. I’ve said it elsewhere but people craving that don’t want the fediverse, they want Nostr.

This place is the way it is, why it’s enjoyable to be on, because we can and do defederate servers run by bots, trolls, or any other malicious actors, otherwise they run wild.

makingStuffForFun,
@makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml avatar

This IS Facebook. It’s guaranteed. They’re evil. Block them now.

Szymon,

Ever play Plague Inc? The secret to winning is to not become deadly until you’ve already become engrained and established throughout society. Then you add the deadly features once you’re too deep in.

Don’t let the cancer establish itself as something innocent. The owner of the platform WILL take any opportunity to seize control of the media so it can seize control of the message.

Froyn,

Pandemic Legacy is a great game.

mypasswordis1234,
@mypasswordis1234@lemmy.world avatar

I just love this comparison 🥰

Thisfox,

“Everyone everywhere should federate.”

“Not like that!”

Alsephina,

We don’t federate with nazi instances either.

Threads has massive homophobic and racist accounts like LibsOnTikTok and MomsForLiberty. We shouldn’t federate with an instance that can’t even take care of banning that.

OtherPetard,

Better yet, let them enjoy the full connectivity for a month. Once they’ve enjoyed all the awesome content and got used to it - defederate.

Flax_vert,

Why not just let them choose instead of trying to get users to brigade them? Personally I want my insurance federated with Threads.

dipshit,

Dumb argument is dumb. We need to defederate the internet! LAN not WAN!

dinckelman,

Username checks out

dipshit, (edited )

No but really, do you take your email server offline when a new server comes online? This is the same thing. Kinda dumb.

I’m all for defederating instances that are built to cultivate hate. Defederating against what may be one of the largest instances on the fediverse simply because of the corporate backing seems a little antithetical to the goals of the fediverse at large. To be clear, I’m all for defederating against threads if there’s reason to do so - if the instance shows a reason to do so. For instance, if threads becomes a instance that just spews hate, and the mods of the instance can’t get it under control, then defederate! Otherwise, it just seems a bit reactionary for no good reason.

v_raton,

Sadly i dsagree with you, nobary cares about this peace of junk (seriously, microblog without hashtags?). Also i think is fedverse is a great place in general and i trust in all instances moderators, and any bot or think like this have interesting in us. I don;t worry about, for me is one more day with meta bulshit, thatś it

masterspace,

Such a dumb fucking loser post.

Go be a paranoid baby by yourself, don’t try and create mass hysteria to ruin the community for everyone else.

sour,
sour avatar

rude ._.

CapitanStrider,

If I don’t like it I won’t look at it, simple as.

bluefirex,

And another attempt at blanket hating on a platform for no reason. Be more original, people.

Edit: if YOU don’t like it, sure block it. But don’t force your backwards decision on everyone else.

starlord,

Pretty nice looking assumption you’ve made, there.

Threads, and especially the people/company behind it, are categorically in opposition to the values of the Fediverse.

Seeing them join us would be like watching a Christian join a Passover Seder by wearing a yarmulke: everyone would be inviting and accepting in spirit but you just know the guy would bring up some inappropriate topics, excuse his own faux pas, and be silently wishing he could convert everyone.

bluefirex, (edited )

Again, if YOU don’t like it, block it. Let me and the silent majority just enjoy this platform, WITH threads people, whether you feel attacked by that or not. Just to make sure everyone can follow: YOU block threads FOR YOURSELF, you do not force that shitty decision on everyone else.

And give me examples, actual proof, that threads is a cesspool. So far I’m not seeing it, I only see crying and bitching about "what if"s. That is just pure hatred. Lemmy is a far worse place because of all this. It’s seriously making me consider to leave ans go back to something where people are actually welcoming, like Threads.

Edit: I’m still missing evidence against Threads. Either there is none or yall haven’t even visited the dn thing before trying to “reason” about it.

sour,
sour avatar

who is silent majority

bluefirex,

The people not giving a shit about these constructed “worries” of some FOSS-Linux-“please don’t join us, we want to be special” crowd.

sour,
sour avatar

how do you know is exist

chitak166,

I want a server where users can make these decisions for themselves.

Fuck this mob-mentality spurred upon by losers.

Clbull,

I’m not too worried about Threads joining the metaverse. What Mark Zuckerberg has failed to realise is just how barebones his Twitter clone is.

Mastodon has support for trending topics and hashtags. Threads doesn’t. Lacking such an absolutely basic feature that any microblogging platform would otherwise support is why Threads dropped from 500M active users to just a fraction of it.

I joined it near launch, made a few posts and then stopped. There is nothing worthwhile on Threads and I don’t think leeching on to the fediverse.

Also, I can kinda understand why you all rushed to defederate from Gab when they tried to jump on the federation bandwagon, but not Meta.

Zuckerberg doesn’t need us to overtake X. He needs to actually make a functional social media app first, then put more resources into moderating it.

X is still on top despite Elon Musk’s stewardship because his competitors are either too small (most federated instances), require too big of a technical hurdle for the average Joe to use (the fediverse in general), or are downright incompetent (Threads.)

AceFuzzLord,

I’m worried because it’s only gonna be a matter of time before fakebook is able to play around enough to get threads to be functional enough for the average user. They may be evil, but they aren’t dumb.

4am,
@4am@lemmy.world avatar

This take is riddled with naivety.

Not only will Meta read, train AI on, aggregate and datamine, and correlate this data with your real identity, but when Meta announces that “the easiest way to be on the fediverse is to just use Threads” then all the people who avoided Mastodon because it was “too complicated” to sign up, all the people who are basically already signed up because they scroll Insta all day, will go with Threads instead of spreading the load out.

As smaller instances start to drop off under the load, under the lack of interest as threads grows and they shrink, merely mirroring the traffic of a centralized corporate entity, users start to flock to threads for its reliability and speed.

Then Meta pulls the plug, since “no one really used this ActivityPub thing anyway, it was too technical”.

Threads isn’t about beating “X” (lol X is in a death spiral, it’s only a matter of time), it’s about ensuring the Fediverse never rises up.

See what happened with Google Talk and XMPP.

QuaternionsRock,

Not only will Meta read, train AI on, aggregate and datamine, and correlate this data with your real identity

They undoubtedly do this already. There’s nothing stopping them from setting up an instance that looks like a personal one and pulling all the data the Fediverse has to offer.

Iapar,

Could threads generate so much data that it costs to much to keep an instance/server running?

In my opinion all big player are just federating to destroy the fediverse or take it over. Why else would they be here? There is just no need for them to be here exept to kill competition before it gets to big.

Mio,

I can see that threads.net may harm the Fediverse. But, there might be some people that don’t like the threads client and want to use the fediverse to interact with them. This will divide us. Also, trying to have a standard were threads.net is blocked is very hard to spread. Maybe has to be default on the server side, or even better, a subscription.

Sanyanov,

Some instances will inevitably choose to federate, and that might be good, as a fedi gateway to the place.

The point is to save the rest of Fediverse from harm Meta can cause us.

lemmesay, (edited )
@lemmesay@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

please take a look at the replies under zuck’s own post in threads.net and determine if that’s the type of content you want.

for those who don’t want to visit, majority of the commentators are bots. some advertising crypto, and others asking for money.

even if you think you can individually block those accounts, keep in mind the size of threads compared to fediverse.
for Lemmy: monthly active users are barely 150K40K, while for threads it’s 100 million. there’s no chance you can control that inflow of bots.

and if it still doesn’t convince you, you can read threads’ privacy policy, which states that they’ll gather all that pii if you interact with their content.

most of the internet is already bigtech, I don’t want Lemmy to become another arm of it. though I have faith in my instance maintainer and dessalines, the dev.

ShitOnABrick,
@ShitOnABrick@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t really have much faith in the developers myself. Considering all the shenanigans they get upto.

lemmesay,
@lemmesay@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

I do however have real faith in the main developer of lemmy, considering his ideology, which is incompatible with bigtech values.

you can even see it from his own profile.

oatscoop,

Even if there were no bots and it was only “real” content from Threads … is that the sort of content we want to have Lemmy flooded with?

masterspace, (edited )

This is dumb gatekeeping nonsense. It’s the exact same asshole bullshit behaviour we saw on Reddit when people complained about it getting popular.

Reddit is far better for reaching a wide audience then it was when it was just a bunch of 20 something nerds in their echo chamber.

sour,
sour avatar

they arent wrong

masterspace,

Yeah they are.

sour,
sour avatar

how do you know

jimbo,

which states that they’ll gather all that pii if you interact with their content.

Your public account info, public posts, and interactions are not “PII”, they’re what’s necessary for every instance in the fediverse to work. How do you think people are going to see your name and your posts if their servers can’t access it? There’s literally nothing stopping Meta from hoovering up all that data right now anyway, because it’s PUBLIC.

lemmesay,
@lemmesay@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

sorry, I didn’t follow the legal definition of what’s PII in the comment.

with meta, just the IP address and one visit is enough to personally identify you though. they have testified before that they have profiles on users who haven’t signed up with any of their (dis)services at all.
and threads explicitly states in their privacy policy that they use pixels and web beacons, which they use for this purpose.

masterspace,

Yeah, but nothing about that changes when federating with them.

Zeppo,
@Zeppo@sh.itjust.works avatar

Mr @zuck is there any chance of you reading my messages about my request for 2M$ man i have been trying every day to contact you and waiting for your response since last 5 months . I have told you why i am asking you for 2M$ i dont know if you ever read my messages but in short you are the only who can make it happen and if there is someone who can give me 2M$ its only you so please read my messages and please make it happen for us and change our lives I am waiting for you since last 5 months .

Looks like the exact same bullshit as facebook and twitter. There might be better examples of good or bad posting though since Zuckerzuck’s posts are especially spammed out, since splammy people think they’re especially good for visibility.

lemmesay,
@lemmesay@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

yeah, but I didn’t want more brain damage sifting through accounts over there lol. but still, when you have a 100 million mau, there are going to be a ton of bots, especially when there are next to no moderators.

Zeppo,
@Zeppo@sh.itjust.works avatar

I’ve barely ever used threads, in a large part because they don’t have a fully functional website and require use of an app. So I have no idea… I assume there’s some quality content but I agree that it must be flooded with BS too. I’d be interested in seeing what a Lemmy instance connected to threads looks like. I assume it would wreck browsing ‘New’.

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